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    Hello fellow darklings!

    I'm in the middle of prepping and working on my Sabbat Toreador Antitribu that i'll be larping (some might have seen my previous post). I'm watching through the hostel and saw right now for inspiration on the messed up mind of the Toreador Antitribu and torture inspiration for things she's done. (The Tor Anti tend to get.. creative, my character especially.)

    Music is something I'm browsing for a lot too. Do you have any ideas of inspirational content?

    Thanks!

  • #2
    Near Dark is the essential Sabbat pack movie, but for torturing, try "Martyrs", "A Serbian Film", or Nine Inch Nails' movie "Broken". On a sexual perversion view, try Pier Paolo Pasolini "Salo o le 120 giornate di sodoma".

    - Saga
    Last edited by Saga; 07-28-2019, 03:36 PM.

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    • #3
      Some pretty obvious ones that I am happy to share:

      Movies

      * Lost Boys - Could be Anarchs but they're a Pack that lives together, has a Priest, and kills indiscriminately.

      * Near Dark - One of the original inspirations for the Sabbat. Redneck trashy vampires killing indiscriminately (sensing a theme?)

      * John Carpenter's Vampires - Just a bunch of nasty psychotic undead with their religious heretic leader.

      * Salem's Lot: Just how terrible it can get in a town if they decide to Mass Embrace with no regard to the Masquerade.

      * From Dusk til Dawn: The original. Accept no substitutes. My idea is they were making shovelheads that night and were usually more discriminate about mass killing.

      * 30 Days of Night: The comic is actually better in that at one point an Elder comes out and goes, "You fucking idiots! Do you not realize how stupid this is?"

      * House of a 1000 Corpses: Not vampires but every other way it's the Sabbat.

      Books

      * The Dresden Files: Lara Raith is a very good Lasombra or Toreador Antitribu.

      Music

      CRY LITTLE SISTER - Lost Boys



      DAUGHTERS OF DARKNESS - Halestorm



      HEMOGLOBIN - Beborn Benton



      Mind you, this indicates my opinion of the Sabbat is not terribly....high.
      Last edited by CTPhipps; 07-28-2019, 03:44 PM.


      Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

        * 30 Days of Night: The comic is actually better in that at one point an Elder comes out and goes, "You fucking idiots! Do you not realize how stupid this is?"
        That movie was shit. Way too many jump cuts to tell what the hell was going on, and the vampires were indeed idiots.

        "We must not give them reason to think we exist!" - Head vampire says this AFTER his followers have been seen attacking and draining people in the middle of the streets, and were caught burning to death upon exposure to UV lamps!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Nyrufa View Post

          That movie was shit. Way too many jump cuts to tell what the hell was going on, and the vampires were indeed idiots.

          "We must not give them reason to think we exist!" - Head vampire says this AFTER his followers have been seen attacking and draining people in the middle of the streets, and were caught burning to death upon exposure to UV lamps!
          Yeah, those are two characters who can't be combined.


          Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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          • #6
            Sabbat Toreador you say?

            Bleed for Me, by Digital Daggers

            Hellraiser was originally going to have a different soundtrack done by Coil. Here's the unused score.

            Hellraiser is a good one for being creative, though it works even better for the Tzimisce. Warped sense of morality that fits various Paths of Enlightenment. If you incorporate this into your Toreador, oh what sights you'll have to show people.

            Since we're on films that aren't vampire related, I'd recommend Predator ('87). Just imagine it's a less tech-ed out Sabbat vampire jumping around in the jungle at night, stalking people. It toys with its prey, skins them, takes their skulls as trophies. Appears to have a warped code of honor (Paths that aren't Humanity tend to be this way).

            A Nightmare on Elm Street ('84) is a real winner here both for creativity and music. A real twisted lullaby theme. Pre-MTV Freddy isn't funny, skulks around in shadows, and his sense of humor would appeal more to Jeffrey Dahmer. This is a character that clearly gets off to hurting people and watching them suffer. The kill is just the climax, while the mind games are foreplay and the torture is the sex. Watch the opening where he constructs his glove and listen to his breathing. You want to find a sicko? Look no further. Remember that his prey of choice as a mortal man were children. As added maliciousness, your Toreador can emulate Freddy's self-harm tactic. She's a vampire — she can stick blades into herself and heal right before her victim's eyes. Unfortunately for them, they won't heal so easily. Krueger enjoys demonstrating how invulnerable he is to his victims. Hacking off his fingers, slashing his nipples, etc.

            You might not be able to warp your victim's dreams like Freddy can, so no stretching arms, no Vicissitude-like body modifications to herself or her victims (unless you have a Tzimisce friend), however, you have some tricks Krueger doesn't have; emotional manipulation. Between your Vitae and Presence, you can really disturb your victims on a whole different level by making them like you despite what you're doing to them. You torment someone, two-step Blood Bond them, use Presence to enrapture them, then leave them alone for a time. See if they come crawling for you or if they break down from their mixed emotions. Auspex and Celerity means they're not likely to get too far away, especially if you keep them locked up in some hidden place. Make them crave your abuse, especially when they're obedient and you show them some level of kindness as a reward. Switch between physical abuse, psychological, but then bathe them in sweet kisses and soft whispers, telling them that if they just behave and not break the rules, you'll treat them nicely from now on. Your choice if you honor that promise or smash it like a cockroach.

            You have many options besides mindlessly murdering folks, so get creative and have fun.

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            • #7
              I would suggest the Hannibal tv series as some inspirational material. It lacks the usual gritty style gore of some movies already mentioned, but it does have a variety of viewpoints and techniques to choose from. Being the vampiric equivalent of a meat grinder sometimes isn't as scary or monstrous as a vampiric scalpel.

              Alternatively there is something to be said for using contrast to make people uncomfortable. In the movie Good Morning Vietnam, there is a sequence where they show villages being cleared and people being killed all to the sound of What a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong. So depending on the nuance of your character it might be worth it to have a contradictory aspect just to unnerve those around you, like being incredibly gentle with female children while simultaneously mutilating the genitals of any male children you find.

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              • #8
                On music, I would recommend:

                Music from the Succubus Club (from Dancing Ferret Discs)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGjK6hKahU8


                Blutengel (darkwave / electro)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1G-9WUgptY

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTiaCV47-bw

                anything from "Angel Dust", "The Oxidising Angel", "Seelenschmerz"


                Combichist (aggrotech / EBM / hardrock)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tEUP7vDMbo

                albums "Sex, Drogen und Industrial", "Everybody Hates You"


                The Sisters of Mercy (gothic rock / post punk)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RVJyNpfDk

                album "Floodland"


                MALICE MIZER (baroque / gothic rock)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuI5w-v8i-4

                album "merveilles"


                Garden of Delight (gothic rock)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XV0qnC4ppo

                albums "Necromanteion IV", "Darkest Hour"


                The Mission (gothic rock)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znHQg9NzEsw

                albums "Gods Own Medicine", "Sum and Substance"


                Fields of the Nephilim (gothic rock)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJWsDpA909c

                albums "The Nephilim", "Mourning Sun limited edition"


                Lacrimosa (gothic rock)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Q6L5ldtRo

                albums "Inferno", "Stille", "Elodia"


                Bella Morte (darkwave / death rock / gothic rock)

                albums "Where Shadows Lie", "Exorcisms"


                Alien Sex Fiend (post punk / deathrock)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYMLwLTzGUg

                albums "Acid Bath", "Who's Been Sleeping in my Brain"


                The Damned (punk rock / gothic rock)

                albums "Damned Damned Damned", "Phantasmagoria"


                The Lords of the New Church (post punk)

                album "The Lords of the New Church"


                Astrix (psytrance)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3C03Ba8Dk

                album "He.art"


                This site has great EBM / electronic sets https://www.mitchellville.me/category/podcast/


                The Frozen Autumn (darkwave / synthpop)

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LiBopuLwlg

                albums "Emotional Screening Device", "Is Anybody There?"


                AL1CE (dreamrock)

                album "The End of the Beginning"


                - Saga

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                • #9
                  On music, I would recommend:

                  Music from the Succubus Club (from Dancing Ferret Discs)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGjK6hKahU8


                  Blutengel (darkwave / electro)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1G-9WUgptY

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTiaCV47-bw

                  anything from "Angel Dust", "The Oxidising Angel", "Seelenschmerz"


                  Combichist (aggrotech / EBM / hardrock)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tEUP7vDMbo

                  albums "Sex, Drogen und Industrial", "Everybody Hates You"


                  The Sisters of Mercy (gothic rock / post punk)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RVJyNpfDk

                  album "Floodland"


                  MALICE MIZER (baroque / gothic rock)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuI5w-v8i-4

                  album "merveilles"


                  Garden of Delight (gothic rock)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XV0qnC4ppo

                  albums "Necromanteion IV", "Darkest Hour"


                  The Mission (gothic rock)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znHQg9NzEsw

                  albums "Gods Own Medicine", "Sum and Substance"


                  Fields of the Nephilim (gothic rock)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJWsDpA909c

                  albums "The Nephilim", "Mourning Sun limited edition"


                  Lacrimosa (gothic rock)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Q6L5ldtRo

                  albums "Inferno", "Stille", "Elodia"


                  Bella Morte (darkwave / death rock / gothic rock)

                  albums "Where Shadows Lie", "Exorcisms"


                  Alien Sex Fiend (post punk / deathrock)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYMLwLTzGUg

                  albums "Acid Bath", "Who's Been Sleeping in my Brain"


                  The Damned (punk rock / gothic rock)

                  albums "Damned Damned Damned", "Phantasmagoria"


                  The Lords of the New Church (post punk)

                  album "The Lords of the New Church"


                  Astrix (psytrance)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3C03Ba8Dk

                  album "He.art"


                  This site has great EBM / electronic sets https://www.mitchellville.me/category/podcast/


                  The Frozen Autumn (darkwave / synthpop)

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LiBopuLwlg

                  albums "Emotional Screening Device", "Is Anybody There?"


                  AL1CE (dreamrock)

                  album "The End of the Beginning"


                  - Saga

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                  • #10
                    On music, I would recommend:

                    Music from the Succubus Club (from Dancing Ferret Discs)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGjK6hKahU8


                    Blutengel (darkwave / electro)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1G-9WUgptY

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTiaCV47-bw

                    anything from "Angel Dust", "The Oxidising Angel", "Seelenschmerz"


                    Combichist (aggrotech / EBM / hardrock)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tEUP7vDMbo

                    albums "Sex, Drogen und Industrial", "Everybody Hates You"


                    The Sisters of Mercy (gothic rock / post punk)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RVJyNpfDk

                    album "Floodland"


                    MALICE MIZER (baroque / gothic rock)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuI5w-v8i-4

                    album "merveilles"


                    Garden of Delight (gothic rock)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XV0qnC4ppo

                    albums "Necromanteion IV", "Darkest Hour"


                    The Mission (gothic rock)

                    albums "Gods Own Medicine", "Sum and Substance"


                    Fields of the Nephilim (gothic rock)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJWsDpA909c

                    albums "The Nephilim", "Mourning Sun limited edition"


                    Lacrimosa (gothic rock)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Q6L5ldtRo

                    albums "Inferno", "Stille", "Elodia"


                    Bella Morte (darkwave / death rock / gothic rock)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3dXUkGRKLU

                    albums "Where Shadows Lie", "Exorcisms"


                    Alien Sex Fiend (post punk / deathrock)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYMLwLTzGUg

                    albums "Acid Bath", "Who's Been Sleeping in my Brain"


                    The Damned (punk rock / gothic rock)

                    albums "Damned Damned Damned", "Phantasmagoria"


                    The Lords of the New Church (post punk)

                    album "The Lords of the New Church"


                    Astrix (psytrance)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw3C03Ba8Dk

                    album "He.art"


                    This site has great EBM / electronic sets https://www.mitchellville.me/category/podcast/


                    The Frozen Autumn (darkwave / synthpop)

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LiBopuLwlg

                    albums "Emotional Screening Device", "Is Anybody There?"


                    AL1CE (dreamrock)

                    album "The End of the Beginning"


                    - Saga
                    Last edited by Saga; 07-28-2019, 10:52 PM.

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                    • #11
                      I usually direct new people to watch 30 days of Night (despite what other people may think) when trying to give them a visual. Same with Lost Boys. I mention Near Dark but it's old enough now that most people I know have no idea about the movie.

                      And again, I don't care about the cross over opinion of the show, but I've watched all of The Boys on Amazon Prime and that to me is a good example of vampires who simply lack humanity, as is the TV show Lucifer. It's not Sabbat centric but I find it helps to break down references in chunks. Like I don't want someone just looking at the bestial nature of the vampires in 30 Days of Night and thinking "ok I got it". The lack of humanity is more than just eating victims.There's much more to it. But there are some other good suggestions in here too that I'm going to start referencing again.

                      Music wise: Blade 2 soundtrack, VtM: Bloodlines soundtrack, and ambiance from games like Dead Space


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                      • #12
                        Others have covered vampire media. I'd like to shout out some inobvious sources, with no fangs or capes in sight. (Okay, maybe a few capes.)

                        Taboo (tv series): Described as "mysterious, dark, and brutal" by Rotten Tomatoes, it captures the shifting focus of the Sabbat. They do horrible things for petty reasons which, almost accidentally, have global impacts.

                        Natural Born Killers (film): If Charlie Starkweather and Caril Ann Fugate were sexy and charismatic, they would have lived this movie. Random murders, psychedelic cut-scenes, and vague references to the decline and fall of the American empire combine to make a somewhat puerile criticism of modern media out of gorn. But, oh, what lushly filmed gorn!

                        Suicide Squad (film): Sometimes the bad guys find themselves having the same enemy as the good guys. Nails the visual style of the Sabbat.

                        Goodfellas (film): Yeah, yeah, I know. It looks like Giovanni stuff, but at the middle-manager levels of the Sabbat, somebody's gotta figure out who's doing what and when. Loyalty is a virtue, but what if it is loyalty to evil?

                        The Godfather (film) No, it is not about the mafia. That's just biographical detail in a film about family, duty, and constructed morality.

                        Curse of the Demon (film) An Inquisitor tangles with an affably evil Baali.

                        King Lear (play) A degenerating elder is manipulated by his childer, to whom he hands control of the pack. Power politics and a tired old man spiraling into madness can't turn out well. Oh, and somebody gets their eyes gouged out, because, you know, family take care of family.

                        Jonestown (documentary film) Remember, at the base of it all, the Sabbat is a cult. They are bound by blood to one another, and will do anything... anything... if they think their ideals are being attacked. Hundreds of normal ad decent people joined Jim Jones's church and took part in an atrocity. All the more terrifying because it is real.

                        Freaks (film) One of us. One of us. One of us.

                        Doubt (film) In the Sabbat, a combination of secretiveness and the use of disciplines makes it nearly impossible to know who to trust and who to grant one's loyalty... and who to destroy. In this film, set in a Catholic parish and school in the period of the Vatican II reforms, a mother superior and a young teacher clash over the changes in the church, while both are anguished over the possibility of a popular priest abusing pre-teen boys. One of the boys has a mother (Viola Davis) who turns in one of the greatest one scene performances in cinema. This film has no clear heroes, no clear villains, no clear moral center... it is a world filled with, as the title suggests, doubt.

                        Millennium (tv series) Dark and darker and so dark you may need to adjust your screen's contrast. This is a spin-off of the comparatively up-beat and goofy X-Files. The world is ending, or maybe a shadowy group just wants its followers to believe it is to advance the leaders' nefarious goals. Which may or may not involving saving the world, so they can end it themselves.

                        Okay, take a deep breath after all those. How about a few on the lighter side?

                        Rocky Horror Picture Show (film) Plot synopsis: a Toreador antitribu on the Path of Cathari, skilled in vicissitude and necromancy, leads a pack devoted to good times, but some of them would like to focus on their actual mission. The packs' second-in-command arranges for a young couple to groomed for the embrace in the midst of a major ritae, knowing they have ties to a notorious vampire hunter. This results in the disruption of the ritae, and monomacy between the lieutenant and the pack leader. Moral of the story: "Come to feast, to taste the flesh, not yet deceased. And, all I know is still the Beast is feeding."

                        Seinfeld (tv show) Not every Sabbat pack is self-consciously eeevil. Not every Sabbat pack cares about big-picture apocalypses... apocali? Apocalum? Anyway, some packs just don't grok that humans are squishy, breakable things with actual feelings. Oh, the Seinfeld crowd looks funny, until you live in their universe and you realize they live their lives the way a drunk drives a rental car.

                        It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (tv show) Like Seinfeld, but with even less conscience, and more dysfunctional loyalty. Having been raised on Tastykakes and cheesesteaks, I can say this is almost a documentary on the culture of the Delaware Valley. Don't believe me? Ask Santa.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Nosimplehiway View Post
                            Millennium (tv series) Dark and darker and so dark you may need to adjust your screen's contrast. This is a spin-off of the comparatively up-beat and goofy X-Files. The world is ending, or maybe a shadowy group just wants its followers to believe it is to advance the leaders' nefarious goals. Which may or may not involving saving the world, so they can end it themselves.
                            I remember watching this series back in the day, I am surprised it doesn't get more recognition as a great source of inspiration. Of course now that I have said that..... I feel really old now.

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                            • #15
                              I don't think anyone has mentioned the Tarsem Singh movie The Cell. I think it could be a great inspiration both for its visual aesthetic and the actions of its serial killer/torturer antagonist.

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