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    How exactly did the Tzimisce get to the new world despite their weakness? It makes sense for various Antitribu and Lasombra to make base there, but how did Tzimisce clan set up domains there.

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    They pulled a Dracula and shipped large quantities of soil over until they could acclimate to new lands.
    Last edited by Kael03; 08-01-2019, 01:27 PM.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Shakanaka View Post
      How exactly did the Tzimisce get to the new world despite their weakness? It makes sense for various Antitribu and Lasombra to make base there, but how did Tzimisce clan set up domains there.
      Two pockets full of soil sewn into your jacket or fleshcrafted into your kidneys. You're not using those after all.

      Otherwise, the Tzimisce Embrace locally.


      Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kael03 View Post
        They pulled a Dracula and shipped large quantities of soil over until they could acclimate to new lands.
        This^
        They are partially based on Dracula. (Well, a blend of Dracula and the Necroscope Wamphyri) so it's safe to assume they simply got around that weakness the same way he did.

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        • #5
          I was always surprised they never got around to addressing the Tzimisce dirt situation in a similar fashion as the Ventrue blood preference. Some books state how a Ventrue can change his or her "taste" if the source of that vitae dries up, usually after a short stint in torpor. As written, Tzimisce are permanently bound to their little plot.

          I'm curious to see if/how the Tzimisce weakness will be tweaked in V5.

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          • #6
            This is actually not covered much in the books, but…

            First, like others have suggested, Tzimisce arriving with European colonists and explorers brought a grave soil supply with them.
            You don't actually need a ton of it unless you plan to bounce around as a nomad (something that, again, the books never seem to have thought too much about). Once you have a coffin with some of your soil in it (enough for "two handfuls", which isn't a crazy amount and you can easily fill it with much and more) you just have to worry about transporting this extra luggage – which, with Tzimisce tendency to create ghouls, isn't too crazy a task.

            Second, remember that Tzimisce embraced other Tzimisce when they arrived, so almost instantaneously they created Tzimisce with local soil dependencies.

            Third, there were always Tzimisce in the Americas.
            The Clan Progenitor known as [Tzimisce] traveled the entire globe, pretty much, and made some Tzimisce pretty much everywhere.

            Most notably, among those natives who would later become the Aztecs.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Garygeneric View Post
              I was always surprised they never got around to addressing the Tzimisce dirt situation in a similar fashion as the Ventrue blood preference. Some books state how a Ventrue can change his or her "taste" if the source of that vitae dries up, usually after a short stint in torpor. As written, Tzimisce are permanently bound to their little plot.

              I'm curious to see if/how the Tzimisce weakness will be tweaked in V5.
              A fun tweak I go for is that it must be grave dirt rather than native soil. Doesn't need to be any specific grave dirt, just that it was buried over a dead person. After some time, this dirt might require "freshening up", which means you'll need to swipe more at some point. The mental image of a Tzimisce's ghoul servants out in a Transylvanian cemetery, disturbing graves to acquire their master's necessary mounds of burial dirt is delightful.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The Dreamweaver View Post

                A fun tweak I go for is that it must be grave dirt rather than native soil. Doesn't need to be any specific grave dirt, just that it was buried over a dead person. After some time, this dirt might require "freshening up", which means you'll need to swipe more at some point. The mental image of a Tzimisce's ghoul servants out in a Transylvanian cemetery, disturbing graves to acquire their master's necessary mounds of burial dirt is delightful.

                But most graves are only 6 feet deep. There wouldn't be that much soil to spare when it comes time to "freshen up." Especially not among the Elders and Methuselahs.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Nyrufa View Post


                  But most graves are only 6 feet deep. There wouldn't be that much soil to spare when it comes time to "freshen up." Especially not among the Elders and Methuselahs.
                  Its not just their own graves, as most didn't have one, there is a lot of soil in a cemetery that count as grave dirt, not just a rectangle only above the wood of a coffin.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Eldagusto View Post
                    Its not just their own graves, as most didn't have one, there is a lot of soil in a cemetery that count as grave dirt, not just a rectangle only above the wood of a coffin.
                    Precisely. How long it lasts before needing more dirt various. Haven't gotten it down to an exact science yet. Playing with the idea, it could be any dirt that was disturbed in order to bury someone or some (once living) thing. Making it harder, it has to be soil that was semi-recently dug up, perhaps no longer than a year ago. Maybe the fresher the grave, the longer it lasts. This could certainly add to the old tales of the dead coming back within a few nights of being buried, feeding the superstitions. People think their dead fathers, mothers, siblings, etc. are rising from their graves when in reality it was a Tzimisce stealing what they require for respite.

                    Does it need to be a "proper burial" with a funeral or can the Fiend murder a dozen people and bury them himself to dig up the dirt later for his own uses? You decide!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Dreamweaver View Post


                      Does it need to be a "proper burial" with a funeral or can the Fiend murder a dozen people and bury them himself to dig up the dirt later for his own uses? You decide!
                      Ancient Folk Lore: Those who are improperly buried, or died of especially violent causes, may rise as vampires after death!

                      Then again, those could just be Shovelheads!

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