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  • #46
    Originally posted by blailton View Post

    Using this logic, you should can mind control someone to commit suicide without gaining stains, too, bc this is not inherently vampiric. ¬¬

    I mean, yeah? Stains aren't about being good or moral. Terminal Decree doesn't outright say 'you take X Stains when you use this' it says 'the Humanity cost may be high'. MAY being the operative word there. Violating the Chronicle Tenets and your own Convictions, which are the Things That Remind You Want Not Being The Monster Is, are the other things that generally give Stains.

    You seem hyper-focused on it being moral, when the book even gives examples of Tenets that aren't specifically 'good' or 'moral'.. You can have immortal Tenets, as it's both genre emulation, as well as the 'general' morality for how the PCs act. So you could easily have a Tenet where convincing someone to kill themselves doesn't give a Stain, whereas you can have one where it ALWAYS gives a Stain. Hell, you can be reminded of what it is to be human BECAUSE of how easy they die, for example.

    As always, it's up to the ST to give stains for anything they want to. But by default, there's no automatic stains for some of the stuff that you'd have to roll Humanity for in prior editions.
    Last edited by elmerg; 04-07-2021, 07:57 PM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by elmerg View Post


      I mean, yeah? Stains aren't about being good or moral. Terminal Decree doesn't outright say 'you take X Stains when you use this' it says 'the Humanity cost may be high'. MAY being the operative word there. Violating the Chronicle Tenets and your own Convictions, which are the Things That Remind You Want Not Being The Monster Is, are the other things that generally give Stains.

      You seem hyper-focused on it being moral, when the book even gives examples of Tenets that aren't specifically 'good' or 'moral'.. You can have immortal Tenets, as it's both genre emulation, as well as the 'general' morality for how the PCs act. So you could easily have a Tenet where convincing someone to kill themselves doesn't give a Stain, whereas you can have one where it ALWAYS gives a Stain. Hell, you can be reminded of what it is to be human BECAUSE of how easy they die, for example.

      As always, it's up to the ST to give stains for anything they want to. But by default, there's no automatic stains for some of the stuff that you'd have to roll Humanity for in prior editions.

      except for cauldron of blood and withering spirit, those are automatic stains

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