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  • #16
    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

    That's a dumb argument. The Camarilla made the correct choice in driving out the Brujah. I say that as an Anarch lover. The Camarilla was always going to be challenged and undermined by the people who viewed them as the enemy because the Camarilla has no reason to want to change. So, they get rid of their biggest enemies and the root of the Anarch cause to consolidate their power. Now they're bigger, stronger, and more united than ever.

    They have external enemies in the new Anarch Sect but they don't have any INTERNAL enemies.

    Better still, Camarilla Princes can just order the destruction of Anarchs in their cities without a reason. They don't have to pretend anymore that there's any reason not to.

    The Camarilla is at its richest, most influential, and most dangerous. They plan to be the only survivors of the 21st century as a sect.

    They've lost a ton of their heavy hitters to the Beckoning and the Winnowing ( or 'cost of resisting the beckoning') that has kneecapped those that have stayed, they've lost the Brujah after already losing the Gangrel and they've already lost the Anarchs so they've very little in the way of ' in the know' soldiers left. They've turned their backs on technology, and are reliant solely on precious ghouls and humans for protection. Plus they've exchanged volatile but known sum internals like the Brujah for internal cancers like the Lasombra and Banu Haqim. They've lost more cities in the past twenty years than they have since...well, ever.

    They're increasingly resembling a rich old imbecile slowly sinking beneath the surface.

    If the Sabbat do ever come back and they can't get it together enough to get into bed with the Anarchs immediately they're toast.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Damian May View Post


      They've lost a ton of their heavy hitters to the Beckoning and the Winnowing ( or 'cost of resisting the beckoning') that has kneecapped those that have stayed, they've lost the Brujah after already losing the Gangrel and they've already lost the Anarchs so they've very little in the way of ' in the know' soldiers left. They've turned their backs on technology, and are reliant solely on precious ghouls and humans for protection. Plus they've exchanged volatile but known sum internals like the Brujah for internal cancers like the Lasombra and Banu Haqim. They've lost more cities in the past twenty years than they have since...well, ever.

      They're increasingly resembling a rich old imbecile slowly sinking beneath the surface.

      If the Sabbat do ever come back and they can't get it together enough to get into bed with the Anarchs immediately they're toast.
      I dunno, the Anarchs aren't really soldiers you want unless you have the Sabbat to serve as an alliance against.

      Without the Sabbat, the Anarchs are the BIGGEST threat to the Camarilla.

      They also have picked up a lot of the Sabbat Cities.

      Yes, they lost Berlin but they gained Mexico City and huge chunks of the East Coast.
      Last edited by CTPhipps; 02-08-2020, 07:55 AM.


      Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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      • #18
        Anarchs would probably be more in line with asymmetric warfare (guerillas, or terrorists) but they'd be limited in scale without a higher, more complex level of command and control (you'd just have a bunch of isolated mobs and gangs operating independently, but it would be challenging to coordinate and direct those mobs in a coherent manner in terms of a battle or war) The Camarilla by virtue of its greater organization and scale would be better suited towards warfare at the operational/strategic level. It doesn't mean that Anarchs CAN'T learn to be that (obviously they did to take over Los Angeles) it's just a much greater challenge requiring more exceptional individuals and a good deal of trust and charisma to hold it all together. I suppose Jenna Cross and the thin bloods/duskborn would be the best example of such 'large scale' organization.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mister_Dunpeal View Post
          Anarchs would probably be more in line with asymmetric warfare (guerillas, or terrorists) but they'd be limited in scale without a higher, more complex level of command and control (you'd just have a bunch of isolated mobs and gangs operating independently, but it would be challenging to coordinate and direct those mobs in a coherent manner in terms of a battle or war) The Camarilla by virtue of its greater organization and scale would be better suited towards warfare at the operational/strategic level. It doesn't mean that Anarchs CAN'T learn to be that (obviously they did to take over Los Angeles) it's just a much greater challenge requiring more exceptional individuals and a good deal of trust and charisma to hold it all together. I suppose Jenna Cross and the thin bloods/duskborn would be the best example of such 'large scale' organization.
          The big issue is the fact that vampires are...not numerous. All of the vampires in the world amount to a single medium-sized city. The Camarilla has vast influence but the fact is that a Anarch vs. Camarilla "war" is probably maybe a half-dozen vampires versus a dozen vampires or twice that for both.

          This changes the scale of wars drastically.

          Its why your coterie could, theoretically, overthrow most Princes by themselves and why the Fledgling ends up personally destroying the Camarilla in Bloodlines.

          A typical "Anarch" city may be Cleveland, Ohio with a dozen vampires while a typical Camarilla city would be....two dozen?


          Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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