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  • PMárk
    started a topic ICv2 2019 fall

    ICv2 2019 fall

    https://icv2.com/articles/markets/vi...ames-fall-2019

    Without gloating, or ill will, I'd just like to point out to all, who made hyper-confident claims about V5 being on the list for a couple of quarters, that indeed, it remains to be seen if that was only an initial boom, due to the effect of a new VtM edition being out on the shelves and people buying from nostalgia, curiosity, or just plain impulse, or if it will be a long-term placeholder on the charts.

    It's not to bash V5 either, for falling off. Usually, it's D&D, then Pathfinder, then SW/CoC/SR and then whatever new shiny, that gathered attention, or new edition of an existing game with considerable name recognition came out that quarter. So, it's normal to fall off. Will be interetsing to see, if it comes back.

  • CTPhipps
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    This thread appears to exist to gloat about V5 and is not only being closed with EXTREME prejudice but an infraction for PMark.

    But welcome back!

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  • xguild
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    PDF's have their place in the digital market, for me personally POD of classic out of print books is one of the greatest benefits and reason to use DTRPG, while simultaneously I love the fact that its an outlet for material that would otherwise never be published by amateur designers/writers.

    That said when it comes to core role-playing games in my groups, games we play in person, it has to be the real thing. In fact, digital devices are outlawed at the table, so in our game you wouldn't be allowed to have a tablet even if it was to read a PDF. We have found that electronics suck the oxygen out of social occasions and create too many distractions. As a GM I especially hate it because I don't know if your taking notes, looking up a PDF or texting your girlfriend. I find it rather rude to have a device out at a session.

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  • Grumpy RPG Reviews
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    Originally posted by KarlB View Post
    Most seasoned gamers still prefer their games in dead tree format...
    I'm a seasoned gamer, and at this point in my life I actually prefer digital copies, such as PDF and format for Kindle.

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  • KarlB
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    Originally posted by SavageGM View Post

    Well it’s the same price on DrivethruRPG as Modiphius for the pdf and some people like their collection in one spot. Granted if they offered a POD option on Drivethru it may do better on that site than it currently is.

    I do like that DTRPG has all collected in one spot, but the majority of people, even gamers, only know about DTRPG when the game's website offers only PDFs on that site as an option. Most seasoned gamers still prefer their games in dead tree format, only using PDFs for reference on their phone or tablet when away from their collection. And DTRPG isn't offering print on demand options for these new editions simply because it would be pointless. With full retail support, V5 books are WAY WAY cheaper in local gaming stores than they are ordered online as a print on demand option, especially when ordering from outside the U.S. For example, in Canada, high quality retail books are a good 40 or 50 bucks cheaper than high quality POD and then having it shipped.

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  • Grumpy RPG Reviews
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    Originally posted by Undead rabbit View Post
    The real problem is selling after that. When the "next big thing" comes out and you are not shiny as before.
    Comic books have the sample problem - which is why Marvel and DC lean so heavily on the next big cross over event and to stop the end of world or something. RPG's can't do the same thing.

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  • MyWifeIsScary
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    It baffles me because VTM should really, really be tapping into the zeitgeist of the moment. With all the doom and gloom we have right now, with all the financial woes and environmental concerns and political partisanship, isn't it time for Vampires to grab the attention? They had a golden goose, and when they said they'd have a TV show, I believed them; the stage was set and the setup was perfect. But they killed that goose and ate it's meat. It sold well initially because it was new, because of the brand, and because the people who were really into it were really loud about it. But it lacked the punch, the struggle, the rage, the relentless pessimism; of course it was going to fizzle out.

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  • xguild
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    Vampire the Masquerade of any edition has always been a niche product, reaching the peek of its popularity in the 90's at which point it briefly grazed mainstream after which it returned to its traditional place as a cult followed product. V5 was never really going to be able to compete with other more mainstream RPG's like D&D & Pathfinder or franchises like Star Wars or Shadowrun.

    From where I'm standing V5 revitalized what was effectively a deader then dead franchise that was circling the drain of the great dark void of obscurity and though V5 might not (and probably won't) reach the heights of its predecessor, until recently the conversation wasn't about how popular, fun or how often played Vampire the Masquerade was, but whether or not the franchise would survive at all.

    Besides, I don't know how anyone else on the forums has experienced the game, but to my gaming group at this stage there are only two games in the world, Vampire 5th edition, and everything else. We are on our second chronicle (the first one ran for over a year) and my players are describing it as the single greatest RPG experience of their lives and I attribute it entirely to this edition of the game that captured the world of darkness with near perfection.

    If we could just get a revised core rulebook that makes the book itself easier to reference at the table, as far as I'm concerned its the perfect game and I don't need ICV2 to confirm that. In fact, I would say that because it lists D&D 5e, Pathfinder and Shadowrun 6e are the three "best selling ....aka best games", I'm a 100% certain I have no respect for peoples preferences because all three of those games are basically miniature games in disguise, if those where the only three games left in the world to play, I think I rather quit the RPG hobby entirely and just commit to playing miniature war games, they are atrocious caricatures of what role-playing games should be not worth the paper they were printed on.

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  • SavageGM
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    Checking today it appears that they have the hardcover BW V20 back up for purchase. So a correction to my previous statement.

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  • SavageGM
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    Originally posted by KarlB View Post


    Might have something to do with the fact that no one buys V5 off DTRPG given it has full retail support as well as being able to buy all V5 PDFs right off Modiphius' site. Why would you go through DTRPG when you can find better and cheaper elsewhere? DTRPG is for the niche print on demand market.
    Well it’s the same price on DrivethruRPG as Modiphius for the pdf and some people like their collection in one spot. Granted if they offered a POD option on Drivethru it may do better on that site than it currently is.

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  • KarlB
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    Originally posted by SavageGM View Post
    V5 is currently #105 On DrivethruRPG’s best selling titles. V20 released 9 years ago is 39th (even with only a premium hardcore print version available) and has never dropped out of the best selling titles that I’m aware of. Even Changeling the Dreaming 20th is higher than V5.

    Might have something to do with the fact that no one buys V5 off DTRPG given it has full retail support as well as being able to buy all V5 PDFs right off Modiphius' site. Why would you go through DTRPG when you can find better and cheaper elsewhere? DTRPG is for the niche print on demand market.

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  • SavageGM
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    V5 is currently #105 On DrivethruRPG’s best selling titles. V20 released 9 years ago is 39th (even with only a premium hardcore print version available) and has never dropped out of the best selling titles that I’m aware of. Even Changeling the Dreaming 20th is higher than V5.

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  • KarlB
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    Note one very very important thing about WOD games compared to some others:

    WOD games are really popular ... but CCP did it's damnedest to sink it. They only gave license to Onyx Path and did ZERO marketing and ZERO distribution support. As far as CCP was concerned, interest in the WOD IP died with their MMO project. They just didn't care at all and likely saw it as a god send when Paradox offered to buy it since CCP, unable to think of anything outside the EVE universe, considered it a wasted effort.

    I really need to stress how close CCP came to killing the WOD IP. It was really bad. Onyx Path could do their best, but with no marketing and distro support, only the real die hards kept on buying new stuff, with everyone else bowing out given how grotesquely expensive high quality print on demand products are, especially for those living outside the U.S. I live in Canada and I bought the Blood and Smoke VTR corebook and it cost me well over a hundred bucks, much higher than the equivalent at my LFGS.

    I think Paradox is doing a great job supporting the line now, but they are effectively starting from scratch. This is unlike games like Pathfinder and even Shadowrun which are still marketed and can be found in all gaming shops. Same with Star Wars which has one of the most recognizable IPs in the world and barely needs any marketing at all.
    Last edited by KarlB; 08-21-2020, 03:28 PM.

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  • KarlB
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    Well, D&D is by far the biggest RPG on the market, dwarfing everything else by a wide margin. So it's normal for sales for even the core book to be continuous and large.

    Pathfinder and Shadowrun are very popular RPGs, among the top 10 easily, and both had new editions coming out in 2019, so obviously there will be a good deal of core book sales.

    I'm actually surprised the Star Wars RPG is selling so well, many years after all three core books have released. Could be due to Star Wars being everywhere these days.

    And holy s%@t ... I had no idea that a new Alien RPG got released last year! I'll need to check it out.

    The new edition of Vampire came out in 2018, and the overwhelming majority of people would have bought it back then. I'm sure sales charts for 2018 would have shown it more prominently.

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  • Undead rabbit
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    Originally posted by Undead rabbit View Post
    As I said: being in the first position in the first couple of years it's simple. Requiem too managed to do so.
    The real problem is selling after that. When the "next big thing" comes out and you are not shiny as before.


    Icv2 for spring 2020...

    And Vampire Is nowhere to be seen...
    https://icv2.com/articles/markets/vi...es-spring-2020
    Last edited by Undead rabbit; 08-20-2020, 11:55 PM.

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