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    It's been some time since we've seen a thread of this variety and looking over the Chronicles threads and thinking about material that people might appreciate on the ST Vault or future WW/Onyx Path material, I've got a simple question for y'all:

    What historical time periods would you like to see fleshed out as settings for the use of telling stories with Vampire the Masquerade and the World of Darkness?

  • #2
    Different enough to be fascination and have suprises and similar enough to be relatable.

    Victorian Age!


    • #3
      Originally posted by Gurkhal View Post
      Victorian Age!
      They already did that.....

      You've been playing around the magic that is black
      But all the powerful magical mysteries never gave a single thing back


      • #4
        Originally posted by Dwight View Post

        They already did that.....
        They only touched on it. It got nothing remotely compared to the Dark Ages or the Final Nights.


        • #5
          A detailed exploration of domains and clans during the Anarch Revolt would be great.

          Miley Cyrus is obviously a Nephandi and a Cultists love-child. *Shudders*


          • #6
            If I ever get the time, I want to write book for Vampire on the 30 Years War and the time just before.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gryffon15 View Post

              What historical time periods would you like to see fleshed out as settings for the use of telling
              stories with Vampire the Masquerade and the World of Darkness?
              A long time ago In a galaxy far, far away



              • #8
                Roman Republic era.

                I gathered some info on it and I love that period for Vampire (sorry for the long post)

                325 BC:
                Mithras chooses Noushad for the embrace with the approval of Kemintiri. "Daeva", a personification created by Kemintiri, reaches Pasargadae, becomes Noushad's lover. Noushad betrays Mithras and the Prince leaves to find out who corrupted his son. Mithras discovers "Daeva" to be Kemintiri and flees from Persia.
                [VA-VT3, pg. 11-13]

                Between 331 BC and 167 BC:
                Camillus spares Artemis Orthia and Lysander's unlives and takes them as teachers and advisors. This creates a rift between Collat and Camillus. In the end, Camillus consumes his sire and becomes Prince of Rome.
                Historical accuracy: Molossian expansion leads to war with the Roman Republic. After the death of Alexander I the Molossian, they become the Kingdom of Epirus. Later, the Epirote League is finally defeated in 167 BC and falls into the hands of the Roman Republic.
                [DA: RoS, pg. 90]

                326 BC (aprox):
                The Black Mother forsees the coming of Alexander the Great and embraces one of his soldiers.
                [Cb-RR, pg. 23]

                325 BC (aprox):
                Cappadocius speaks with Alexander the Barbarian.
                [Cb-C, pg. 12]
                The Black Mother leaves the Indus Valley with her childe and retreats with the Macedonian army to Europe, taking residence in Southern Gaul.
                [Cb-RR, pg. 22-23]

                322 BC:
                Lados is embraced by an unknown 7th generation Malkavian (probably Lykia).
                [CotR, pg. 21]

                320 BC (aprox):
                Dracian despairs due to the endless wars with the kueijin and fall to torpor. His only remaining loyal childe, Chandraputra is left in charge of the clan in the Indus Valley.
                [Cb-RR, pg. 22]
                Pashedu of Thebes embraces Demetrius of Antioch.
                [LotH, pg. 71-73]

                315 BC (aprox):
                Lados becomes an influential Cainite within the Seleucid empire. This endures for two centuries.
                [CotR, pg. 20]

                309 BC:
                Alexia Theusa visits Byzantium and is embraced by Byzar.
                [CtbN, pg. 16]

                300 BC (aprox):
                The Lost Tribe establishes themselves in Alexandria and begin its quest to learn of the 3rd generation and the Book of Nod. The Setites sell them out and the Assamites from Alamut fights them and captures the Weeping Master.
                [CotR, pg. 61]

                275 BC:
                Artemis retreats to Syracuse and falls to torpor. Lysander establishes himself in Tarrentum. After the city of Tarrentum falls to Romans, Lysander is captured by Collat's childe Camilla. Camilla and Lysander debate for years and the greek teaches him about Artemis, on how she posed herself as a goddess and admires her martial prowess.
                Historical accuracy: King Phyrrhus of Epirus defeat of the Romans while suffering irreplaceable losses coined the term "Phyrric victory".
                [Cb-VR, pg. 16-17]

                273 BC:
                An unknown 5th generation Ventrue embraces Bindusara in Pataliputra, India.
                [EV, pg. 201]

                265 BC:
                Alchian, Malkavian, is Prince of Syracuse.
                [Cb-VR, pg. 18]

                Between 250 BC and 50 BC:
                Dame Mnemach, first born daughter of the Parissi chieftain and speaker-of-the-gods is embraced by a Nosferatu. Such embrace was orchestrated by her mortal sister Saviarre.
                Later, Saviarre herself is embraced by an unknown Ventrue.
                [DAN: B, pg. 277-278]

                247 BC:
                Beginning of the friendship between Troile and Moloch.
                [Cb-Ba, pg. 23]

                230 BC:
                An unknown Brujah embraces Azif in Alexandria.
                [JbN, pg. 68]

                200 BC (aprox):
                Foundation of the Court of Miracles in Alexandria by an all-female cabal of Setites.
                [CabN, pg. 145]

                195 BC:
                Tanitbaal-Sahar embraces Sahar-Hannibal in Tyre.
                [V20TBH, pg. 225]

                154 BC (at least):
                An unknown 4th generation Nosferatu embraces "Trajan".
                [DC, pg. 29]

                147 BC:
                Tanitbaal-Sahar receives summons from his sire in Tyre. He departs from Ostia but never arrived. He disappears from the pages of history.
                [DA: RoS, pg. 92]

                146 BC:
                Helena betrays Carthage and gives information on the city to Camila.
                [CbN2nd, pg. 109]
                Troile and Moloch melt into the ground, Carthage.
                [Cb-Ba, pg. 23]

                late 146 BC (aprox):
                While in Cathay, Critias learns of the destruction of Carthage.
                [CbN2nd, pg. 65]
                Helena becomes Prince of Pompeii.
                [CbN2nd, pg. 109]

                145 BC (aprox):
                Critias reaches Rome and plot its destruction from within.
                [CbN, pg. 65]

                139 BC:
                Dastur Anosh returns to the site of the Weeping Stone.
                [CotR, pg. 61]

                115 BC (aprox):
                Lados is staked and remains in torpor for almost two millennia.
                [CotR, pg. 20]

                91 BC:
                Critias provokes the Social War.
                Historical accuracy: Italian allies wanted Roman citizenship, thus, gaining the right to vote in Roman politics. It was achieved in 88 BC, and this led to the extinction of several cultures while they were assimilated by Rome.
                [CbN2nd, pg. 65]

                88 BC:
                Critias takes control of the King of Pontus, Mithridates IV, and plots to war against Rome. His actions leads to his soldiers to commit a bloody massacre of Romans. Critias then returns to Pontus.
                Historical accuracy: The massacre of Romans and Italians happened in May, 88 BC.
                [CbN, pg. 65]

                86 BC:
                Helena embraces Eletria in a cave near Sparta, she then takes the neonate to Argos.
                [CbN2nd, pg. 113]

                58 BC:
                Beshter and Antonius become lovers in Rome.
                [CtbN, pg. 16]

                52 BC:
                Historical accuracy: Titus Labienus takes over the stronghold of Lutetia (modern day Ile de la Cité, Paris).

                30 BC (aprox).
                Neferu establishes the Fire Court in Luxor.
                [GC3-tShS, pg. 143]

                0 (aprox):
                Cappadocius has his first revelation in the plains of Canaan. A month later all his clan must gather in Goreme, Cappadocia and take over Mount Erciyes. The Cappadocians, led by Caias Koine, take over the monastery in the mountain and slay 400 residents and lone Cainite resident, the Malkavian Algol.
                [Cb-C, pg. 13-14]
                An unknown Antediluvian embraces Abdallah in the mesopotamia.
                [CabN, pg. 152]
                An unknown 5th generation Assamite sorcerer embraces Nar-Sheptha.
                [Cb-AR, pg. 100]

                - Saga


                • #9
                  @Saga I love the Roman Republic. I always thought Mithras and Kemintiri were each other’s True Love (remember, Keminitiri is a former priestess of Isis who still dreams about transcending her vampiric existence and finally becoming one of the Undying). Or were they rivals/enemies first and only fell in love later?

                  Rain On Me... Lady Gaga (I went to the same academic summer camp she did) and Ariana Grande. This song actually works really well with the World of Darkness.


                  • #10
                    I thought I read that in Victorian Age.

                    Rain On Me... Lady Gaga (I went to the same academic summer camp she did) and Ariana Grande. This song actually works really well with the World of Darkness.


                    • #11
                      I ran a game in 5th Century BC Greece with Xenophon's Anabasis as the start. There's so much stuff happening in 5th Century Mediterranean. The interplay between city states, the Persian invasions, the Peloponnesian war, the Tyrants ruling Athens and the revolt against them and finally at the end of it, Xenophon's Anabasis. There's so much good material here with the city states jockying for position over each other and making and breaking alliances. It's the perfect hotbed of politics, factionalism, philosophy, religion and warfare.

                      The Late 4th to 3rd Century BC could be another really interesting time period to cover, which also includes part of the Roman Republican era. You've got the breakup of Alexander's empire and his generals and their descendants all fighting over the pieces with Pyrrhus even attacking Rome. There's even contact between India and Greece. Grecco-Buddhism was actually a thing in Bactria. It leaves an in for someone wanting to play something like a Danava or Eastern Ravnos or using them as NPCs. You could even have a Kuei-Jin show up.

                      My current game is in the late antique period at 730AD. A little later, like 800ish might be a better game setting, but I had wanted the group to have a little bit of power by then and set things up. You have the power shift from the Merovingians to the Carolingians in France, Viking raids, Arab incursions into what is today Southern France, the build up of Venice, The Battle of Talas in central Asia (where Arabs and Chinese first collided), the Magyar raids, and of course the Byzantine empire trying to hold off the the Arabs. A really interesting chronicle could be set in Al Andalus while the Arabs are the new power in the region with the interplay between the Lasombra on both sides of the conflict between religions.


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Penelope View Post
                        I thought I read that in Victorian Age.

                        Their relationship is in Victorian Age trilogy, then expanded in Beckett Jyhad Diary.

                        They met in Pasargadae, Persia in 341 BC. They were lovers, then Kemintiri betrayed him when she turned Noushad, childe to be of Mithras, against him.

                        - Saga


                        • #13
                          Getting to see 20th edition takes on stuff like Victorian Period (yeah we did get stuff but it's outdated now and they're wasn't much to begin with honestly) and Dark Ages: Rome also feels like it would definitely be a classic time period for setting Vampire the Masquerade.

                          Byzantium & the Renaissance would also definitely be interesting to examine in a vampiric context.

                          Plus Sci-Fi & Cyber punk Vampire has always sounded wild, but definitely a lot of fun. X D


                          • #14
                            In my own personal best of all worlds, the three main historical lines would've been 12th century Medieval (Vampire: The Dark Ages), 2nd century Roman Empire (Werewolf: Savage Rome), and late-19th century (Mage: Victorian Twilight), with Wraith and Changeling getting short mini-lines for the Seven Years war to Napoleonic Wars and the Elizabethan period respectively (Wraith: Revolution and Changeling: The Golden Age).

                            That said, there are a number of other periods I think would work really well for Vampire: The Masquerade/Dark Ages as historical settings.

                            Regency Era Britain (1811 - 1820, but a lot of the broader social and political trends run from the late 1790s to the 1830s). You have this really strong sense of class stratification, with the upper classes having this big cultural renaissance of art, architecture, fashion, and science, while at the same time there's this massive amount of crime, violence, and poverty in the working and lower class areas, and a lot of government and institutional corruption. This is especially true in the cities, which are seeing a massive population boom because of the Industrial Revolution and the War. This is also during the Romantic Movement in the arts, including the early revival of Gothic themes. It's a setting where you can easily find hooks for every clan.

                            The French Revolution in Paris (1789 - 1799). What started with grand ideas and ended up devolving into the Reign of Terror which set the template for the bloody butchery of most 20th century revolutions. For vampires, this is an especially dangerous time. The high idealism is the sort of thing that's going to draw a lot of Anarchs (or whatever they'd be called in this era) and other assorted revolutionaries, utopians, and adventurers. The vampire overpopulation combined with the violence of the Reign of Terror as a cover means a lot of over feeding, and risk of a Masquerade breach. Then comes the backlash when the Directory takes control, with a probable kindred counterpart also cracking down on the city's vampire population. There's also the dangerous possibility of secular vampire hunters among the Committee of Public Safety who can guillotine kindred.

                            The Kingfish Era of Louisiana (1928 - 1935). The period when Huey Long was Governor and then Senator, and effectively dictator of the state. A controversial figure to say the least, the law was pretty much whatever he said it was, but he was also a populist committed to improving the lives of the poor, both black and white, especially at the start of the Great Depression. This is a time of heavily political upheaval, including nearly armed conflict between Long's state forces and those of the New Orleans mayor, which can easily echo conflicts between the city's vampire gentry and more rural vampires and those of Baton Rogue.

                            Miami's Cocaine Cowboys (1970s and 80s). A fairly crazy period when the city was pretty much the gateway for Latin American cocaine and other drugs and contraband into the US. There was a lot of illegal money to be made, and a lot of people willing to gun each other down in the streets over it. This sort of thing can seem like a vampire paradise at first, but that sort of chaos also makes a perfect cover for an Anarch revolution, or worse, a Sabbat invasion.

                            What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
                            Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)


                            • #15
                              1450-1750, The New World, or 1800-1910 Africa, both ages of exploration and full of opportunity for young cainites