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  • #91
    Originally posted by Haquim View Post

    Makes him an antihero, borderline psycopath villain and a controversial figure even in contemporary USA with some police officers appropriating the punisher logo and authors going as far as claiming Frank Castle is not someone whose ethics should be emulated. Anyway the point is "super heroes with fangs" (or "Vampions") is not what V:tM was meant to be from the start. It's something some players and STs enjoy (and more power to them if their games don't fizzle into bloody messes of murderhobo measuring constests), but it's not the core theme of the game.
    It's a poorly defined term anyway.

    I mean, "Guy who uses his powers to fight crime" describes VAMPIRE: THE MASQUERADE: BLOODLINES for at least half of the adventures.

    * Doctor Gimble
    * The Gangrel Serial killer
    * Brother Vick
    * Killing the Russian Mobster for Venus
    * Vivi's favors
    * Stopping the Tzimisce murder-porn ring


    Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Shakanaka View Post
      You're.. joking.. right? You mean the same system in the form of MTAs lets you build jetpacks or arm-cannons that can shoot lasers, one whole line (Werewolf) where you're a walking shape-shifting death-machine, a system where as a Ghost you can materialize across the Shroud with high enough Embody and lay a can of whoop-ass on anyone- then ummaterialize back into the Shroud so you can't be hit back, the 6+ Disciplines of VTM (before V5), etc. isn't part of the WoD systems?
      You seem to confuse the things you can do in gameplay with the core theme of the games involved. For example in Mage you can do much more than building jetpacks but the core themes of the game are about reality, masses vs elites, propaganda effects, freedom to express oneself and the lack of freedom in the contemporary capitalist society.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

        It's a poorly defined term anyway.

        I mean, "Guy who uses his powers to fight crime" describes VAMPIRE: THE MASQUERADE: BLOODLINES for at least half of the adventures.

        * Doctor Gimble
        * The Gangrel Serial killer
        * Brother Vick
        * Killing the Russian Mobster for Venus
        * Vivi's favors
        * Stopping the Tzimisce murder-porn ring
        what's funny is that the gangrel serial killer is himself a vampion...and you kill him ._.

        (Brother Vick, and a few others, is a masquerade breach cleaning, so doesn't count)


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        • #94
          Originally posted by Pleiades View Post

          what's funny is that the gangrel serial killer is himself a vampion...and you kill him ._.

          (Brother Vick, and a few others, is a masquerade breach cleaning, so doesn't count)
          Bah, I always talk Gangrel-Punisher down.



          Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

            Bah, I always talk Gangrel-Punisher down.
            yet you go back to playing the punisher...LOGIC


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            • #96
              Originally posted by Pleiades View Post

              yet you go back to playing the punisher...LOGIC
              What's the difference between us?



              Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

                It's a poorly defined term anyway.

                I mean, "Guy who uses his powers to fight crime" describes VAMPIRE: THE MASQUERADE: BLOODLINES for at least half of the adventures.

                * Doctor Gimble
                * The Gangrel Serial killer
                * Brother Vick
                * Killing the Russian Mobster for Venus
                * Vivi's favors
                * Stopping the Tzimisce murder-porn ring
                The point is Frank Castle doesn't spend his time confronting his inner demons. He has a war to fight and that's all he is and everything he wants to do. He his a soldier in a self appointed war against criminals. He doesn't question the morality of his actions. He knows his war to be righteous (deep down some authors pointed out how he doesn't really care, all his pretensions ofd righteousness are justifications for killing, because he likes killing).

                Vampire characters can play as the Punisher for sure (I've a Brujah who, while less extreme than the Punisher, hunts drug dealers and pimps as his favorite meals because he loaths them) but they have to confront the beast while doing so. Perhaps what they are doing isn't "god's work" at all, there's a monster inside their souls inciting them to commit brutal acts of murder and they can feel their humanity slipping so unless they delude themselves into thinking they are the good guys at some point they have to question their own actions.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Haquim View Post

                  The point is Frank Castle doesn't spend his time confronting his inner demons. He has a war to fight and that's all he is and everything he wants to do. He his a soldier in a self appointed war against criminals. He doesn't question the morality of his actions. He knows his war to be righteous (deep down some authors pointed out how he doesn't really care, all his pretensions ofd righteousness are justifications for killing, because he likes killing).

                  Vampire characters can play as the Punisher for sure (I've a Brujah who, while less extreme than the Punisher, hunts drug dealers and pimps as his favorite meals because he loaths them) but they have to confront the beast while doing so. Perhaps what they are doing isn't "god's work" at all, there's a monster inside their souls inciting them to commit brutal acts of murder and they can feel their humanity slipping so unless they delude themselves into thinking they are the good guys at some point they have to question their own actions.
                  Eh, Peter Parker angsts all the fucking time.

                  Angst is a very common thing inside V:TM.

                  * Connor Macleod (Immortality)
                  * Nick Knight (Bloodthirst)
                  * Angel (Guilt)
                  * Louis (vampirism in general)
                  * Dexter (his urge to kill)

                  My latest book is all about a 80s slasher who is struggling against his own urge to kill: https://www.netgalley.com/catalog/bo...9q2MeDeDnuNupg


                  Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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                  • #99
                    On the subject of the brand creative lead, I just hope he gives Gangrel More love than they've been currently getting.

                    On the subject of Superheroes and "Vampions":

                    I play path of the beast/harmony Gangrel so this sounds like a normal night for my character, I'm pretty much playing a vampire version of the Shadow, a being pretending and putting on the face of a human but always trying to maintain order inside myself and in my surroundings, which yeah means sometimes putting a person or two who is being destructive down. And yeah played Bloodlines like that.

                    Also fun fact Did you know batman and Superman Straight up killed people in their original stories? No Mercy, no nothing, in fact they'd gloat 'what a fitting end for someone of their kind' It was an era I wish they'd get back to and kind of did with N52 superman.
                    Here's a neat little fourm collection of the classic superman moments: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forum...yscout-623752/

                    And here's a few for Bats: https://www.dcuniverse.com/news/batm...ge-kill-count/
                    Last edited by InCogNito; 07-03-2020, 04:22 PM. Reason: Adding in Batmans kill count.

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                    • (Working under the assumption that if I don't bash V5 I'm good to post)

                      From my perspective, the horror of VTM has always been about the system, the struggle within that system, and what I do to come out on top. "I need to drink blood to survive, oh how horrible" is something that you would get used to (Especially when blood is so damn good) so, while it might be compelling for someone starting out with rollplaying, it doesn't really get to me. Degeneration is something to get stressed about, but there isn't really much "personal" horror to it when your character is becoming desensitised to things, the horror there is what you do to everyone around you when you get yourself to that 4 or 5 humanity you are going to hover around with.

                      The "personal" Horror, for me at least, primarily comes from the fact that everyone above me wants to stand on me, and everyone bellow me wants to pull me down. And so, I do horrible things to get advantages in this struggle, I make "friends" with awful people (and work under the assumption that all vampires think this way about me), and I perpetuate nearly all the things I do not like (A character who indulges and likes some decadent activities is an option, but even such characters have to do some hard stuff to survive)

                      I guess you could say I play very closely by "A beast I am, lest a beast I become". Humanity is secondary: I think it makes A beast I am stronger, but it alone isn't that much of a horror. Having to do horrible things to survive is what keeps me invested in an emotional roller-coaster.


                      Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.

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                      • Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post
                        My memories of Justin A.

                        I'd say, honestly, he was the best author that V:TM ever had. However, he never seemed to think much of Anarchs.
                        Funny, since he developed Anarchs Unbound, IMO the best Anarch book out to this day.



                        If nothing worked, then let's think!

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                        • What is Personal Horror?

                          My interpretation of personal horror is that is horror that comes from roleplaying a character that is out of control and is disgusted with THEMSELVES rather than someone who is repulsed by the outside world (which is just horror). There's a fundamental difference between THE WORLD OF DARKNESS and the other major horror RPG in CALL OF CTHULHU. The monster is YOU in the World of Darkness. Effectively, the most typical way you will play personal horror is your character struggling against the temptations of the Beast as well as the corrosive corrupting effects of Kindred society. This is why some people have an issue with Sabbat games (and this doesn't include me) because a Sabbat character has already given up on attempting to fight for their humanity.

                          To give an example of how personal horror would go in a game then let me give a short adventure:

                          * Dave goes to his high school reunion ten years later, having been a vampire for a couple of years.
                          * Dave was a bullied nerd and is now a vampire and a part of him really wants to show up the people that abused him as a child.
                          * Dave is tempted to use his Presence powers to mess with a girl who humiliated him. He does so and draws the ire of her husband, a bully as a teenager.
                          * Dave is confronted by said bully in the bathroom and it gets heated, causing a frenzy that results in Dave murdering said bully.
                          * The woman comes in and he ends up killing her too. He finds out they have a young daughter at home.
                          * Dave decides he will look after her for the rest of her natural life and she becomes a Touchstone. He develops the conviction, "Never Harm an Innocent Again."

                          Some gamers would love this.

                          Others would find it boring as hell.


                          Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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                          • Deleted because I suck at reading comprehension.

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                            • Originally posted by Fat Larry View Post

                              Then you're going to hate that Achilli has said he's totally cool with people playing 'superheroes with fangs' and that it's a perfectly viable option as recently as a month ago on Facebook.

                              And Forever Night was fantastic, but very superhero-ish in scope. Replace Nick Knight with Morbius(depending on the writer) and you essentially have a vampiric superhero show.
                              I think you really did not get what I was saying at all.

                              Forever Knight is awesome.


                              Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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                              • Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post

                                I think you really did not get what I was saying at all.

                                Forever Knight is awesome.

                                Correct. Which is why I edited my post and deleted it.

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