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  • How are bloodlines created?

    Is there a kinda rule to this? To me it seems very random.
    most Bloodlines stem from a 4th or 5th Generation vampire, but some are artificially created (Bloodsbrothers) or have an even higher generation progenitor.
    Some bloodlines clearly have supernatural tampering with the blood (Kiasyd) and others just seem to pop out for no reason.
    Some share 2 disciplines with their parent clan, others dont have a single discipline in common.

    And im not even talking about the political thing where Salubri went to bloodline status cause of loss of their Antedeluvian and shrinking in importance and numbers.

    Im just confused how this works and how the change occurs.

    I think its basicly the same idea on how clans were created, where seemingly "omnipotent" jack of all trades 2nd gens created much more limited 3rd gens that might have to do with the vampriic powers reflecting in the mortals live and personality. Say quite some who got animalism where sheperds in life, the Tzimisce was a mage etc.
    Last edited by Orkar; 09-01-2020, 04:26 AM.

  • #2
    Off the top of my head.

    Step 1: Something cool shows up in popular media and Game Developer wants it in their game.

    Step 2: File the serial numbers off and change name to avoid copy right and then figure out which main clan the thing would the closest to.

    Step 3: Write up the cool thing as a rare bloodline of that clan or just hint at a few clans to make things more generic

    Step 4: Rush the concept to print in the next book update without double checking how the existence of such a thing would change the setting and history.

    Step 5: Profit and wait for the next big thing so you can repeat the process.

    Step 6: Consider balancing rushed mechanics and retconing fluff in the next edition of the game

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    • #3
      Well, you see...

      When a mommy vampire from one clan and a daddy vampire from another clan love each other very much...

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      • #4
        Generally speaking, they tend to have one of three origins.

        1. The Fallen: Those left from a former clan whose founder was alledgely destroyed (Salubri, the ones that may be surviving Cappadocians, the True Brujah if you believe their own dogma about their origins).
        2. The Created: Those resulting from direct experimentation via magic or whatever else (Gargoyles, Blood Brothers, Kiasyd, Nagaraja, etc.).
        3. The Mysteries: Those that no one really knows the answer to (Daughters of Cocophany, Baali, maybe the Drowned).

        This is Bloodlines-with-capital-B, as opposed to bloodlines-with-a-small-b (antitribu, Assamite castes, Tzimisce revenent lines, etc.), which are just subgroups of that clan.


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        • #5
          A vampire becomes obsessed with a certain subject. They develop a discipline based around this obsession, and the blood calcifies around their obsession, resulting in both a reduced experience cost for that discipline, and a weakness rooted in that obsession.

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          • #6
            A- A Caitiff specialises in a set of skills and, after the blood is thickened, they sire a bloodline.

            B- Ritual.

            C- Adaptation: Settites embrace cult members trained as warriors, who have potence due to their lifestyle and mentality. If a person has skills, or lacks skills, concerning disciplines, they may become a full Caitiff or their blood might warp to something that fits the childer. The stronger the blood, the less likely this is to happen: If you got embraced by Mithras you're going to be a Ventrue even if you're a social disaster. If you get embraced by John the Ventrue 9th gen and the disciplines remain ironic you might mutate, and if you're embraced by Tod the 12th gen you're almost certain to be a blood-Caitiff.

            Such things may last a generation before reverting back to the normal clan (or clanless) or they may last forever.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by CajunKhan View Post
              A vampire becomes obsessed with a certain subject. They develop a discipline based around this obsession, and the blood calcifies around their obsession, resulting in both a reduced experience cost for that discipline, and a weakness rooted in that obsession.
              Another possibility I see is going for very specific Embrace circumstances. At a chosen time, with some preparations, and/or while the chosen person is undergoing some episode etc.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
                Another possibility I see is going for very specific Embrace circumstances. At a chosen time, with some preparations, and/or while the chosen person is undergoing some episode etc.
                A mad, mad, MAD vampire researcher who is trying to nail down exactly how Bloodlines are formed, and is methodically embracing people on pretty much a monthly basis with all sorts of ridiculous strange and exotic circumstances to 'force' a Bloodline adaptation could be fun. ("Experiment #23. She's a former Olympic swimmer, who crossed the English channel. And I've got her in a tank of water, hooked up to an IV that will transfuse her with vitae at the moment she drowns. I theorize that she could awaken with some sort of aquatic adaptation...")

                It never seems to really work, since the Embraces all turn out to be raving lunatics. (Like their Malkavian sire...)

                Still, the march of science goes on!

                (The local authorities would frown on dozens of crazy fledglings wandering around, so he keeps them chained up until they starve into torpor, and then throws them in the basement. It's getting pretty packed down there. It would be a shame if something were to happen with this Chekov's gun, just lying on the table, inviting the ST to pick it up...)
                Last edited by Ian Turner; 09-04-2020, 04:33 AM.

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