Why can't Obtenebration's abyss be from it's own realm? There's a bajilion realms in the middle Umbra dedicated to very specific things; realms of constant war, a realm of super technology, a realm where you walk the surface of the sun, a realm that's an endlessy large mental hospital, a realm that recreates the cretaceous... and I don't even have an idea as to the range and scale of the high umbra, which is built on ideas
Also, with the explanations i've heard in prior editions; A realm outside of creation, or something pilfered from Lilith's garden, lasombra himself... As high-up as people put lilith, she's not the source of the entropic force at the end of creation. The Abyss, as Fuck-Off-Dangerous as it is, just doesn't seem as toxic as Oblivion-The-Maw-Eating-At-The-World. I mean Obtenebration should be too-dangerous-to-use if it was, especially because masters are supposed to be able to dive into the realm and if it's oblivion.... yeesh, might as well jump into fire.
Also, with the explanations i've heard in prior editions; A realm outside of creation, or something pilfered from Lilith's garden, lasombra himself... As high-up as people put lilith, she's not the source of the entropic force at the end of creation. The Abyss, as Fuck-Off-Dangerous as it is, just doesn't seem as toxic as Oblivion-The-Maw-Eating-At-The-World. I mean Obtenebration should be too-dangerous-to-use if it was, especially because masters are supposed to be able to dive into the realm and if it's oblivion.... yeesh, might as well jump into fire.
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