Hi all,
I'm a long time lurker, haven't posted in many years. Overall, I really like the changes of V5, but I'm trying to reconcile the changes to Humanity. Rules as written, it seems to be that you gain stains and therefore only lose Humanity based on the chronicle tenets as well as the list of additional, somewhat arbitrary things on page 240: blood bonding, Embracing, and various problematic things happening with your touchstones. On top of that, it looks like you lose a point of Humanity automatically if you commit diablerie(page 235) which is pretty consistent with Humanity in previous editions.
I've been watching LA by Night, trying to get caught up, and in the episode I just watched one of the characters committed diablerie and didn't lose Humanity or gain any stains because he didn't violate any chronicle tenets or convictions. Is this a thing? Do the tenets/convictions trump the stuff that seem to give stains/Humanity loss no matter what? I'm hesitant for Diablerie to ever not cause Humanity loss, as that seems more akin to a Path of Enlightenment, but I like the idea of some of the other stuff not causing automatic stains. I think it's awkward that a vampire could conceivably become a wight because they created a ghoul while at Humanity 1 and at the same time that vampire could conceivably commit mass rape, torture, and murder and not lose Humanity if it's not against the chronicle tenets.
I'm a long time lurker, haven't posted in many years. Overall, I really like the changes of V5, but I'm trying to reconcile the changes to Humanity. Rules as written, it seems to be that you gain stains and therefore only lose Humanity based on the chronicle tenets as well as the list of additional, somewhat arbitrary things on page 240: blood bonding, Embracing, and various problematic things happening with your touchstones. On top of that, it looks like you lose a point of Humanity automatically if you commit diablerie(page 235) which is pretty consistent with Humanity in previous editions.
I've been watching LA by Night, trying to get caught up, and in the episode I just watched one of the characters committed diablerie and didn't lose Humanity or gain any stains because he didn't violate any chronicle tenets or convictions. Is this a thing? Do the tenets/convictions trump the stuff that seem to give stains/Humanity loss no matter what? I'm hesitant for Diablerie to ever not cause Humanity loss, as that seems more akin to a Path of Enlightenment, but I like the idea of some of the other stuff not causing automatic stains. I think it's awkward that a vampire could conceivably become a wight because they created a ghoul while at Humanity 1 and at the same time that vampire could conceivably commit mass rape, torture, and murder and not lose Humanity if it's not against the chronicle tenets.
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