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  • Other Barons of Los Angeles

    So we know about Nines, Abrams, The Voermans, and Amethyst. Not counting Victor Temple here because he's a PC.

    What other Barons are there? I know there were some mentioned in LA by Night the source book. It would be fair to say that most of the old Barons are no more? Due to the transition from roving gangs to the more stable Council of Barons.

    What are some that would be worth preserving?

    I know I can just make my own Barons and I have done so, Culver City and Inglewood specifically, but having some resources would be beneficial.

  • #2
    Honestly L.A anarch should have evolved into Carthians

    Each Baron being a representative of a part of a city who reunite to choose a president/prince

    Of course democracy in the domain is just an act becuase most barons reached their power by blackmail or coercion and any who disagrees with them is prone to meet final death by the hands of the Brigades of the revolution.

    Propaganda is said all the time but in reality the Anarch Council has a peace treaty with the inner council of the camarilla that has evolved in some form of cold war


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    • #3
      PD It is presumed that a lot of baron where killed by the Kue Jin or found new domains after running from L.A.

      A lot of vampire problems can be actually solved by running to a smaller cities where there are fewer vampires but enough population to sustain yourself and progeny


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      • #4
        There are a few mentions of the Sofa Barons, so there are probably a bunch of solo vampires or small coteries who own very small territories in and around LA, who no-one has bothered stomping on (yet).

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        • #5
          Originally posted by omenseer View Post
          ...The Voermans....
          The Voerman Sister have moved to Vegas, as of information presented in the V5 Anarch book.

          Edit: As far as I know, no other official barons have been named or detailed. And I like to think Disneyland has its own baron.
          Last edited by Grumpy RPG Reviews; 11-07-2020, 10:21 AM.

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          • #6
            Disneyland is owned by Pentex,
            it's too big a masquerade risk for vamps


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Grumpy RPG Reviews View Post

              The Voerman Sister have moved to Vegas, as of information presented in the V5 Anarch book.

              Edit: As far as I know, no other official barons have been named or detailed. And I like to think Disneyland has its own baron.
              Between Core and Anarch I was under the impression that their operations are based out of Santa Monica, but they travel a lot due to their holdings.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pleiades View Post
                Disneyland is owned by Pentex,
                it's too big a masquerade risk for vamps
                In Los Angeles by Night, it's stated, I shit you not, that Walt Disney was a member of the New World Order.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by omenseer View Post

                  Between Core and Anarch I was under the impression that their operations are based out of Santa Monica, but they travel a lot due to their holdings.
                  Plus they're in the LA by Night video series, with Therese remaining as Baron of Santa Monica.
                  Although now that Vannevar knows that she's been mentally debilitating him, she might be moving out soon.

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                  • #10
                    I think it's interesting and very good subtext that Isaac Abrams is the Baron in Chief and all the other Barons answer to him as well as get their territory from him.

                    In other words, LA is just a Princedom with a Primogen.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post
                      I think it's interesting and very good subtext that Isaac Abrams is the Baron in Chief and all the other Barons answer to him as well as get their territory from him.

                      In other words, LA is just a Princedom with a Primogen.
                      Isaac was the most senior Baron, but I got the impression that he didn't individually have much power over Therese or Nines, or Gary for that matter.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Spencer from The Hills View Post

                        Isaac was the most senior Baron, but I got the impression that he didn't individually have much power over Therese or Nines, or Gary for that matter.
                        True but that's how Princes often work with their Primogens too.

                        First among equals.


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                        • #13
                          The best thing that could be done for the LA Free State is for there to be "barons" (I am using the title here for convenience, I don't think all of these leaders should use the title even if that is what others refer to them as) is use them to advocate a specific program/solution/ideology as to what replaces the Camarilla, and we see how each of these alternatives look in practice. We need more than just different personalities distinguishing each side. There needs to be political differences between them. Factions that are nearly the same, but divided by personality differences or individuals competing with each other to lead the same team, are also OK. But it should be something used to add flavor text to one of the more popular ideologies, and not something that displaces one of the more interesting differences.

                          For example, if I was going to run an LA Free State type game, I'd likely use some kind of system like this:

                          A Jeremy MacNeil inspired libertarian anarchists. Really popular among idealists, but not truly practical for Kindred as a whole. Since many of the old Anarch icons fit here, I think it's essential to have so the old characters can still exist.

                          A Maldavis inspired "Camarilla with Rights" in which the Prince and Primogen exist under different names, but there is a faux democracy that determines them and more rights limit the authority of the rulers. Only practical under a charismatic leader who dominates her cohorts and exiles or kills her enemies, but they talk a lot about how everything will get better once they get rid of the "oppressors". Theoretically an improvement over the Camarilla, but the MacNeil faction sees through the facade.

                          Of course we need an outright gang of criminals in the sense of of the old gangs and CbN's Nihilists. Any talk about freedom is really an excuse for them to engage in whatever predatory behavior they want.

                          A group that is more of a theoretical debating club like the Socialists. They aren't so much concerned about ruling their domain in LA, but how to replace the greater Camarilla system of Traditions, Conclaves, Justicars, and the Inner Circle. They talk a lot about comrades and the movement and such, but it's really just a group of friends interested in political philosophy with limited political power, but potentially some social influence among the other factions.

                          Maybe something like the old pirate brotherhoods of the Golden Age of Piracy with their charters emphasizing freedom and equitable distribution of loot. The leader has his authority, but the charter is semi-democratic in that potentially allows in theory someone else to replace the leader if the group wants. This would be the model for city domains of autonomous self-rule. But there wouldn't be any organization above it. If someone doesn't like how a city is run, they just need to leave for somewhere else they like better. If they can't find one, too bad for them.

                          There are potentially lots of other ideas people can come up with themselves, or as others have said, steal ideas from Requiem.

                          Because even LA can only have so many vampires, the city can't represent every interesting ideology out there. But these individual characters could be in the same working with one of the established factions, and we can be given hints that they may have links to other anarch groups that represent that idea and hold some power in other cities, or in roving groups that try to rally the anarch cause elsewhere.

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                          • #14
                            If you consider the vampire cardgame (and the new V5 editon is based on.. V5) quasi-canon:

                            Anarch Baron of Fortaleza - Benedito, a Lanterna (Nosferatu)
                            Anarch Baron of Manila - Bituin (Tremere)
                            Anarch Baron of Stockholm - Brunhilde (Gangrel)
                            Anarch Baron of Columbus - Casey Snyder (Gangrel)
                            Anarch Baron of Versailles - Jacques Rogue (Nosferatu)
                            Anarch Baron of Canberra - Leumeah (Brujah)

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                            • #15
                              Hasn't Abrams been beckoned and he left Nellie G in charge?


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