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  • #31
    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post
    The thing about Chicago by Night 2nd Edition is that I think it's a solid book but I also think it really is inferior to its predecessor. Chicago by Night 1st Edition had its flaws, many-many flaws, but I also feel like UABRM also removed a lot of the character of the city. The new vampires who replaced the old ones were frequently a lot more generic, often a lot more stereotypical, and not really as diverse.
    I agree. 1st edition CbN had a lot of cool vampires that were heavily embedded in the city's history, so they weren't just good vampires - they were good vampires from Chicago. There were some interesting concepts in 2nd edition, but overall they weren't as good as those they replaced.

    It's important to note that while Under a Blood Red Moon had a list of canonical victims, the ST always got to decided who died in their chronicles. There's no reason why characters had to die - the ST could always select other casualties.

    In particular, the vampires based on Upton Sinclair characters had some of the most interesting motivations, history, and goals (not surprising, Sinclair was a real writer). So while it makes sense White Wolf would want to eliminate them in published material (though the Jungle was public domain by that time I think) a home chronicle doesn't have that need.

    Originally posted by Lynceus View Post
    Another odd thing I always liked about Chicago was how weird everyone's Discipline mixes were.
    The Disciplines and Humanity of the CbN vampires didn't make any sense. My recommendation is that every ST adjust those as needed for any ST's chronicle.

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    In my own attempt to run a chronicle based in Chicago, I started the group in the mid-1920s. My intention was to run the game for about 3-5 years to set the stage and allow the players to establish their characters fully, and then to skip forward a decade and run a single scenario through for that decade and then skip to the next decade and so on. Those vignettes would help establish the "true" chronicle that would begin in the late seventies and be a globe trotting adventure dealing with a Methusaleh's secret lair in torpor and how she was manipulating her descendents in the Camarilla, Sabbat, and Anarchs. It was my one chronicle where I intended to get into the messy distinction of the Jyhad in all its complexities.

    I had to cancel the game just before we got to the Great Depression because one of the players had to leave the state (it was only a 3 player game). So bad for me. Bit we were having a blast with just the 1920s stuff. I intended to finally do my first leap forward after Black Tuesday 1929 because it made for a convenient end of the Roaring 20s and wanted to show the new status quo in the middle of the Depression.

    But one of the things I had to do was create a ton of new vampire NPCs as many of the canonical characters either hadn't been created or hadn't arrived in the city yet. It was a lot of work, but it was also a lot of fun to play with the lore. (A lot of those destroyed sires in the Clans sections were alive and well at the time - Procet, Lateland, Maria, Tarmonay, etc. Though I had plenty more that were never mentioned.) My intention was to kill off a lot of of them in the 1960s. In fact, my plan for the sixties vignette was to simply start the game session by telling the PCs that tonight was the night Lodin was dealing with the Anarch threat once and for all during the 1968 Democratic Convention. They had played their part. Now they could do anything they want under the carnage of the night. What do they do? I knew they'd have made many enemies and rivals by that time and wanted to see who they'd attempt to kill before the night was over. Then I'd repopulate the city with many of the canonical NPCs as most of my invented NPCs would likely be dead or missing by then.

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    • #32
      My biggest regret is I don't know anyone else who is as big enough of a fan of FORGED IN STEEL to do a deep dive of the Gary characters and how they have been changed for 5th Edition.


      Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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      • #33
        I always considered the vampires in Gary / Forged in Steel to be part of the Chicago setting.

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        • #34
          For me, I just really liked how all the characters went in believable but interesting directions:

          1. Modius eventually degenerates to attempting to use Sullivan Dane and Hunters as a way to purge his enemies. Which loses him whatever remaining support he has as a Camarilla Elder and yet shows that, despite how much of a dork he is, he's genuinely terrifying to the depths he'll sink to.

          2. Juggler has gradually grown into someone more capable and less of a poseur now that he's been out of Chicago for a decade or two. It implies that his patheticness as Anarch leader was due to his Blood Bond to Tyler and Domination at Helena's hand.

          3. Evelyn Stephens is growing into a fully capable Anarch leader and arguably one much better than Juggler who wants to make Gary a better place. However, she's ALSO working with hunters and probably has turned over Camarilla to Gregory Stephen's vampire-hunting SWAT unit.

          4. Allicia is probably the most changed version with her new ties to Pentex, making use of texting [allowing her to be used], and her new romance. I like that she's also become a singer because we could use some Toreador music competition. I'm imagining her as Lzzy Hale.

          5. I like that Michael/Charlie Embraced themselves a caretaker and used their high Dominate to keep them in line. I feel like that's an interesting angle for a child-like vampire.

          6. Lucian being Beckoned was pretty obvious. Kind of a shame.


          Author of Cthulhu Armageddon, I was a Teenage Weredeer, Straight Outta Fangton, Lucifer's Star, and the Supervillainy Saga.

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          • #35
            I actually don’t know that much about the older books, so I find this thread fascinating.


            “No one holds command over me. No man, no god, no Prince. Call your damn Hunt. We shall see who I drag screaming down to hell with me.” The last Ahrimane says this when Mithras calls a Blood Hunt against her. She/her (I saw the Chief Technology Officer for a big company do this so I guess I’ll do it too).

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