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  • Skyspire
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    Second Inquisition Campaign?

    With the VtM 5th ed companion providing rules for mortal PCs and the info on the Second Inquisition available in the core rule book and in Fall of London, is it viable to run a Second Inquisition game or would it be better to wait for the actual Second Inquisition source book?

  • Haquim
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    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    While Technocracy might indeed seem thematically appropriate, there are plenty of Tradition Mages who might consider Vampires to be viable targets for hostile actions.
    Tradition mages do hate and fight vampires. There's a whole Mage module about this (Blood Treachery). But they can't do it in the way or with the resources the Technocracy has at its disposal. If you look at how the Second Inquisition is presented it's only logical to think about how the Technocracy could have engineered it. The same is not true for any of the traditions.


    The whole Second Inquisition plot actually makes sense if it is the Technocracy that the Vampires are facing, rather than some members of intelligence agencies who passed around a glorified e-mail chain.
    Keep in mind the Second Inquisition is not just composed of special operations soldiers and spy agencies operatives. It also incorporates the Society of Leopold which has the knowledge and the supernatural means to threaten supernaturals. This still works with the idea the Technocracy is behind it after all because the Technocracy originally had deep links with Christianity (the Cabal of Pure Thought also known as the Gabrielites) and while it's true they rejected them who's to say they didn't keep some of these lines of communication just in case? If the Second Inquisition actually is a technocratic project meant to rid reality and the consensus of hematovores (which in technocratic spiel are still reality deviants) it would have made sense to get those state agencies and military organizations in contact with the Society of Leopold, arming them with another weapon to get the task done while not draining the technocratic resources (which are vast but not infinite and which the Technocracy prefers to invest elsewhere).

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  • Muad'Dib
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    Originally posted by Haquim View Post

    That would be thematically wrong. The Technocracy is the MAN the Traditions are marginalized rebels that fight against it.
    Thematically the second inquisition is the MAN and that makes using the Technocracy vs vampires thematically correct besides being logical from a metaplot point of view.
    While Technocracy might indeed seem thematically appropriate, there are plenty of Tradition Mages who might consider Vampires to be viable targets for hostile actions.

    Originally posted by Trippy View Post

    Well, for me it could segue into the relationship between the vampire and mage worlds (which always seemed a little incongruous to me in previous editions).

    What I mean be ‘front’ is that the Technocracy has basically engineered The Second Inquisition into existence, but remain pulling the strings in a clandestine way. The Technocracy who, in their own paradigm that they are trying to purport, shouldn’t exist. So they remain in the shadowy background, with the Second Inquisition acting as a front for them. It increases the potency and threat of the Second Inquisition considerably if they aren’t just a well resourced group of mundane humans, but actually powered by a powerful group of willworkers.
    The whole Second Inquisition plot actually makes sense if it is the Technocracy that the Vampires are facing, rather than some members of intelligence agencies who passed around a glorified e-mail chain.
    Last edited by Muad'Dib; 01-01-2021, 04:16 PM.

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  • Chris24601
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    Originally posted by IllithidActivity View Post
    It seems questionable to use the bare-bones rules for playing as mortals in a game system designed for playing as vampires when you could just play a vampire-hunter in an entirely different game system designed for players to be vampire-hunters.
    As has long been gospel around my neck of the woods, “A good GM can make even the worst system sing and even the best system can’t save a bad GM.”

    Also, for some people, “bare bones” is a feature, not a bug. It means there’s more room for improv on both sides in terms of setting up and playing out scenarios.

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  • Haquim
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    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    If Mages are involved, might as well go all the way and involve the Traditions as well.
    Also, does 'front' mean supported by Technocracy but independent, or that the Second Inquisition are basically all agents of the Technocracy?
    That would be thematically wrong. The Technocracy is the MAN the Traditions are marginalized rebels that fight against it.
    Thematically the second inquisition is the MAN and that makes using the Technocracy vs vampires thematically correct besides being logical from a metaplot point of view.

    That said I'd avoid making the Technocracy involvement immediately apparent to the players. As I see things the Technocracy was involved with the SI and was instrumental in their inception but then (precisely after the Vienna's attack against "vampire central"... curious name for it... unless you mistakenly think vampires are servants of the OoH...) largely left alone with only a few agents capable of true magic left to check on the "project".
    For that reason in a SI game I'd give my players character creation options taken and adapted from Hunters Hunted and DA: Inquisition rather than giving them true magic or super science.

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  • Trippy
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    Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
    If Mages are involved, might as well go all the way and involve the Traditions as well.
    Also, does 'front' mean supported by Technocracy but independent, or that the Second Inquisition are basically all agents of the Technocracy?
    Well, for me it could segue into the relationship between the vampire and mage worlds (which always seemed a little incongruous to me in previous editions).

    What I mean be ‘front’ is that the Technocracy has basically engineered The Second Inquisition into existence, but remain pulling the strings in a clandestine way. The Technocracy who, in their own paradigm that they are trying to purport, shouldn’t exist. So they remain in the shadowy background, with the Second Inquisition acting as a front for them. It increases the potency and threat of the Second Inquisition considerably if they aren’t just a well resourced group of mundane humans, but actually powered by a powerful group of willworkers.

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  • Muad'Dib
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    Originally posted by Trippy View Post
    Even more radically, design your Chronicle around the notion that the Second Inquisition are, in fact a front for the Technocracy (from Mage)....
    If Mages are involved, might as well go all the way and involve the Traditions as well.
    Also, does 'front' mean supported by Technocracy but independent, or that the Second Inquisition are basically all agents of the Technocracy?

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  • Desparen
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    As there are a number of missing pieces, you're probably better off moving to another system as mentioned above, or use V20 rules using Hunters Hunted II.

    Or, if you want to stay in V5, I wrote a homebrew document including a lot more rules for playing mortal characters in V5 called Fragile Mortality: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wyX...cu8pVt5Jp/view

    There are a number of rules and ideas in there, but the most relevant things for you are Backgrounds and Loresheets relevant for government agents.

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  • Penelope
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    Originally posted by Trippy View Post
    Even more radically, design your Chronicle around the notion that the Second Inquisition are, in fact a front for the Technocracy (from Mage)....
    I Like this idea.

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  • zahana
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    The Camarilla book has a bit about the 2nd Inquisition too. There's a 2I cult that will be in Cults of the Blood Gods.

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  • Trippy
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    Even more radically, design your Chronicle around the notion that the Second Inquisition are, in fact a front for the Technocracy (from Mage)....

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  • BadFurryFanFic
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    Originally posted by Dwight View Post
    Pick up Night's Black Agents, it's practically the same thing.
    Yup. They even share a developer.

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  • Dwight
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    Pick up Night's Black Agents, it's practically the same thing.

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  • IllithidActivity
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    It seems questionable to use the bare-bones rules for playing as mortals in a game system designed for playing as vampires when you could just play a vampire-hunter in an entirely different game system designed for players to be vampire-hunters.

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  • Penelope
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    I think it is viable.

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