Gehenna is not dead and gone after all!

[Pleiades]

I don't know what you're talking about because I generally don't read city books but it seems silly. This Vitel guy owns the place where the goverment, pentagon and half the ABC agencies are? That sounds silly. And he's on the SI's radar? Also silly. And he might not actually be the guy? Yeah, Ok, I'm not going to refute that, but just because a book says something does not make it reasonable. Are you saying the vampires of washington allowed one vampire to hold all the important eggs in his one basket, who presumably isn't some kind of heaven-defying methuselah?

pre-Revised edition, this was pretty normal vampire stuff,

in Revised, vampire influence on mortal institutions were drastically reduced and rarely extended past city borders,
and Vitel was thus killed by Justicars for his excesses

now v5...I'm not sure what they're going for,
maybe they brought back Vitel taking over the government

[El Barto]

Under, not on the radar. He's got a chapter in BJD, and several mentions in Chicago by night saying he's still there so, yeah... canon v5, not really news. Also, 5th gen lasombra. And roman praetorian

[MyWifeIsScary]

Under, right, whatever. To go completely under... despite being "The Guy"...
So did he claim domain over all these agencies and absolutely everybody respected this domain? And when the SI came knocking nobody thought to to change things up? How many methuselah are in the capitol supporting him? It's gotta be a league right?

Maybe I didn't get enough sleep last night but all the thoughts that come into my head concerning this matter can be summarised as groans of annoyance. Maybe it ties into my 'SI is artificial and just the elders killing the neonates' theory but it's still so.... lame. Those organizations are huge and I don't think a 5th gen can really manage such things so effectively without considerable devolution.

[Undead rabbit]

Under, right, whatever. To go completely under... despite being "The Guy"...
So did he claim domain over all these agencies and absolutely everybody respected this domain? And when the SI came knocking nobody thought to to change things up? How many methuselah are in the capitol supporting him? It's gotta be a league right?

Vitel is a 2000 years old 5th gen Lasombra, with the secret backing of his sire, an ancient 4th gen Lasombra. He was/is one of the most powerful princes in the world, and the most powerful Prince in the United States.
He has 54 dots in Disciplines and 15 in Thauma's paths, and crazy stats all over the sheet, plus his backgrounds were Influence 8, Resource 6, Allies 6, Contacts 8, Status 6 and so on.
It's not like you could choose not to respect his domain and it's not like others had a saying in what he did*, for the same reason nobody in London had a say in what Mithras could do.


*The only exception being the Camarilla as a whole and Peter Dorfman, who was one of the most powerful Tremere Pontifex of the New World.

[Vamps Like Us]

Undead rabbit

In 5th Vitel and Mithras will not be the unstoppable force they once were so humans being a threat makes sense.

For me Gehenna was and is a silly idea lifted from Queen of the Damned, I've never played or talked to in real life anyone who thought it was a good idea to blow up everything in the middle of a long running campaign. Power creep happens to any game played long enough, and when players stay alive progress and build up they usually retire a character/game rather than want the GM to just kill them all off on a whim.

Personally, I have Gehenna happen in year 0 A.D. with the birth of Jesus removing the first through fifth generation vampires from the world giving humanity a more level playing field, not the other way around. In a way the Beckoning is a pale reflection of my take that tries to have it's cake and eat it too, keeping the popular NPC's that should be gone, around.

[Undead rabbit]

Undead rabbit

In 5th Vitel and Mithras will not be the unstoppable force they once were so humans being a threat makes sense.

True, but that is not a problem of consistency of the lore and the setting, it's a problem of the consistency of Vampire 5th edition with everything that came before.