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  • Clan Hecata
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    Hecata Clan Bane

    Hey Folks,

    Just a topic that has popped up in one of my gaming groups and people can't decide how it's intended - of course everyone will just accept whatever the ST says but they're curious how most people deal with the Hecata Clan's new curse in story.

    Obviously newly embraced Hecata will have the new Bane plus possibly some element of the old curse from their loresheets - e.g. Samedi going all corpsey whenever they want.

    But what about those embraced prior to the reunion?
    • Neonates who've only been around for 10 to 100 years?
    • Ancilla?
    • Elders?
    • The really old guys who've been about since before 0 CE?
    Do they all lose the old curse or do you handle it depending on age/generation?

    Just a curiosity.

    - H

  • Clan Hecata
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    I do love that you can closely replicate the old Nagaraja with organvore & their loresheet but with the added benefit of your teeth only come out to feed. Plus you can take graverobber to at least make it a bit easier to feed by targeting the dead.

    Originally posted by monteparnas View Post
    But as you said yourself, if you take it to the obvious conclusion and go by RAW it becomes quickly untenable, especially for PCs, which is problem 1.
    I had fun portraying the Nagaraja weakness but it is definitely a far harder path than say just having a nice bite and a willing herd.

    - H

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  • monteparnas
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    Originally posted by Spencer from The Hills View Post
    I reckon Giovanni are too human facing to run around looking like corpses if they can help it.
    Only the younger ones, and younger Cappadocians are just paler. Old Giovanny work by proxy through their family members, so they wouldn't have so much problems.

    Even when they have mortal identities, they are as particularly recluse people, so it works fine.

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  • Spencer from The Hills
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    I reckon Giovanni are too human facing to run around looking like corpses if they can help it.

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  • monteparnas
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    Originally posted by MyWifeIsScary View Post
    I think the Nagaraja weakness is super interesting.... In V20 it doesn't seem to necessarily be human flesh, though it's virtually impossible to upkeep all the time if you rule it needs to be human flesh, outside of a disaster zone at least.
    It doesn't say it must be human, but it implies, although at least it doesn't have to be alive. And yes, it is interesting.

    But as you said yourself, if you take it to the obvious conclusion and go by RAW it becomes quickly untenable, especially for PCs, which is problem 1.

    More than that, though, from an IC PoV it is one of the worst weaknesses around, and at the Family Reunion they would be in direct contact with the Giovanny, that have essentially a watered down version of the same weakness. So it would literally make sense for them, especially the older ones (that come from a cabal of sorcerers) to try a ritual to unify the lineage and assume the "better" weakness.

    Of course, both would love to just get the old Cappadocian weakness instead and be merry.

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  • MyWifeIsScary
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    I think the Nagaraja weakness is super interesting.... In V20 it doesn't seem to necessarily be human flesh, though it's virtually impossible to upkeep all the time if you rule it needs to be human flesh, outside of a disaster zone at least.

    It works a bit better if you have them just lose physical attribute dots. imagine that they're usually content to be emaciated from their weakness; hunting through smarts, stealth or looks rather than brawn, making up for their lost attributes with physical disciplines; then they start eating when they're threatened and feel the need to bulk up.
    Last edited by MyWifeIsScary; 03-08-2022, 03:01 PM.

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  • monteparnas
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    I don't see much of an appeal in using the Hecata's Bane as is. Nothing against the Hecata itself, I just think there's more sense in letting those bloodlines keep their own mechanics and that's it.

    Except for the Nagaraja, I totally agree that they would help with magicking away their original weakness because it sucks.

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  • Matt the Bruins fan
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    As for the Nagaraja, while unrelated at least as far back as the 3rd generation, they do have a history of screwing around with the embrace and the nature of their blood. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that they might have magically spliced themselves into the Hecata for the benefits of belonging to a larger clan rather than a nearly extinct, easily identifiable bloodline.

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  • Mr. Stick
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    In my house rules I recognize that every vampire who has participated in the familly reunion ritual has changed blood.
    And the change affected all of his descendants.

    This explains the changes in blood and the fact that some still have old traits.

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  • Clan Hecata
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    Thanks everyone! I shared the responses with the group for peoples interest.

    Storyteller has decided to go with everyone embraced after the Reunion has the new Bane automatically whilst it's slowly spreading out to the older members, the older the slower it reaches the Elder Hecata. Those powerful Harbingers who've refused the Reunion are, so far, completely unaffected.

    Anyway thanks again everyone!

    - H

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  • elmerg
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    Originally posted by Clan Hecata View Post
    Hey Folks,

    Just a topic that has popped up in one of my gaming groups and people can't decide how it's intended - of course everyone will just accept whatever the ST says but they're curious how most people deal with the Hecata Clan's new curse in story.

    Obviously newly embraced Hecata will have the new Bane plus possibly some element of the old curse from their loresheets - e.g. Samedi going all corpsey whenever they want.

    But what about those embraced prior to the reunion?
    • Neonates who've only been around for 10 to 100 years?
    • Ancilla?
    • Elders?
    • The really old guys who've been about since before 0 CE?
    Do they all lose the old curse or do you handle it depending on age/generation?

    Just a curiosity.

    - H
    It's ultimately up to you. The text implies that some magic caused them to start having the same Bane, so it's not outside the realm of possibility for that to work backwards. It's open for you to play around with for your story.

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  • Rhywbeth
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    Originally posted by MyWifeIsScary View Post
    *Nagaraja sweats nervously*

    For me at least, the different necromancers having very different discipline spreads, weaknesses and cultures made them interesting, and the ST had a lot of leeway in working out how to do it. Blending them together is a no-no.
    The Nagaraja are, at best, a Setite bloodline who only came along so that v5 could streamline all the Necromancers into the Giovanni. They shouldn't be here and don't count. (Although trading shelter for lore and the Vitreous Path seems fair)

    I largely agree with you. I do enjoy everybody begrudgingly acknowledging that, "yes, techincally we're related via Cappadocius and part of the giant backstabbing dynastic clusterfuck", even as they'd rather be anywhere else but here together, but literally blending the bloodlines together was a mistake (lore sheets just aren't the same.) At least the original discipline spreads are an option (unless you're Giovanni, anyway.) It's more acknowledgment than the Assamite castes have gotten so far.
    Last edited by Rhywbeth; 03-04-2022, 05:16 PM.

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  • MyWifeIsScary
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    *Nagaraja sweats nervously*

    For me at least, the different necromancers having very different discipline spreads, weaknesses and cultures made them interesting, and the ST had a lot of leeway in working out how to do it. Blending them together is a no-no.

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  • Rhywbeth
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    Assuming that the Samedi are the descendants of the Infitiores (or a Giovanni experiment, as one of their other origin rumours goes) I think it's fair to call the bloodlines a Clan by a certain definition, since they share an Antediluvian. Same as a Setite warrior is still a Setite, a Salubri is a Salubri regardless of if they're healer or warrior, and a Warrior, Vizier or Sorcerer is an Assamite. It's just that in the case of this clan, its composite bloodlines are antipathic to each other rather than cooperative (and likely to go back to hostilities when the metaplot blows over and a status quo forms/resumes.)
    Last edited by Rhywbeth; 03-04-2022, 05:10 PM.

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  • MyWifeIsScary
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    Ignore it completely. The Hecata is a sect, not a clan, and it's not a sect that's destined to get big or last a long time. The families and bloodlines are bound to fracture and disseminate themselves among the other sects.

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