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How can vampires get away with so much when auspex exists?

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  • #31
    Ok so that's possible but that's the complexity of the informations that make learning more dangerous and time consuming.
    That's clearer i thought that you were saying that's impossible to learn through the mind of another one, this is just longer and you cannot gather every details
    In clear you can use it to complete a puzzle in a case (like resolve a murder) but if you use it to learn something completely knew it's like putting together one by one each piece of an unknown puzzle that counts 1000 pieces

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    • #32
      Auspex 4 is incredibly useful even if it isn't useful for justifying spending XP for more dots on your sheet.

      A lot of us are "downplaying" Auspex because the thread was "overplaying" it: people were treating Auspex as some "instant win" button when it comes to gathering information, so we're putting out all the flaws it has that make it not overpowered in that sense.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Heavy Arms View Post
        A lot of us are "downplaying" Auspex because the thread was "overplaying" it: people were treating Auspex as some "instant win" button when it comes to gathering information, so we're putting out all the flaws it has that make it not overpowered in that sense.
        That's difficult to see the limit of that kind of power 😅, especially when the target cannot feel that someone is reading his mind and even if he guesses he cannot resist it
        Last edited by Cain Loup-Noir; 03-16-2022, 03:58 PM.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cain Loup-Noir View Post
          That's difficult to see the limit of that kind of power
          I think it's worth looking at things from a higher perspective.

          I'm guessing that a majority of the people posting on this forum are long time players and StoryTellers. As such we've experienced the problems with allowing players to get away with the idea that they can 'do anything' with certain powers as this inevitably causes serious repercussions, and thus we tend to react by putting limits on those powers.

          An good example of this is the Spirit sphere in Mage. There's a phrase that goes around saying that all the effects can be duplicated by the Spirit sphere because with sufficient Spirit you can always call up a spirit who can do what you want to do. Now while this idea has some merit to it, it completely disregards the difficulty of actually doing this in practice, allowing players to handwave the difficulties and get away with anything, and the more crafty the player is and the less wise the ST is the worse it gets. This is such a common theme in RPGs that it even has it's own moniker: Power Playing

          So when someone comes along and asks, in all innocence, how to 'power play' the Auspex discipline (although not in those exact words) there's naturally going to be a negative reaction that downplays the discipline.

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