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  • omenseer
    started a topic Animal turned Human embraced Vampire?

    Animal turned Human embraced Vampire?

    Has this happened anywhere in the lore?

  • monteparnas
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    Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post
    I do wonder if it causes Japanese fans to snicker, though.
    Maybe? I don't know, homophones are too common there, maybe not.

    But it does sound silly here in Brazil, where it doesn't sound exotic in any shape or form, it is just like if they called them "Beast" and the only trick was to never use the plural (for some reason).

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by monteparnas View Post
    Which is honestly a silly distinction. On my experience using Fera for everyone works very well.

    But that aside, this is indeed the official usage in the game.
    The true silliness is that the Mokole had a word for that concept (well, all non-Mokole shifters) that got used in the way Fera is being used now, creeping into the Shadow Lords tribebook of all places. By the time the Bastet book was out, the cats had the word killi for that, and then they all started getting their unique words, culminating in the answer to the question, "Why is it that the Garou don't have one?" that got answered in revised.

    I do wonder if it causes Japanese fans to snicker, though.

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  • monteparnas
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    Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post
    Fera is the Garou word for werebeasts that aren't Garou. The single, universal terms for them are Changers or werecreatures.
    Which is honestly a silly distinction. On my experience using Fera for everyone works very well.

    But that aside, this is indeed the official usage in the game.

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by Karos View Post
    I think the closest you'd get is one of the Fera (Were-wolves, bears, ravens, etc) getting embraced.

    Some of the were-creatures, the Changing Breeds, are born as the animal part of their Breed. E.g. some Werewolves are born wolves, Werebears as bears, etc. When they mature they undergo the 'First Change' which lets them change into other forms including a human form.

    This form can be embraced (though most were-creatures would fight against it), the majority die in the process or commit suicide. Some do survive and become strange creatures dubbed abominations. They're very rare and are largely nothing more than a plot point, most ST's and groups would look at a player wishing to play one as someone just trying to min-max the game.
    Fera is the Garou word for werebeasts that aren't Garou. The single, universal terms for them are Changers or werecreatures.

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  • Chris24601
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    Embraced, no. I’ve had Revenant canines raised by the Bratovich line of revenants though.

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  • monteparnas
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    Originally posted by CTPhipps View Post
    There was a Ravenloft Darklord who had this as his background. He was a panther made to seduce a Thayan woman. Sadly, it was very racist due to the fact he was the only black guy in the setting.
    Baron Urik Von Kharkov, a very interesting character despite the weirdly convoluted background. More grounded than many things we see in most settings, including VtA. But in VtA specifically, only the Aabbt got close, I think.

    To be honest, there's no reason for it not to be possible, and it may work on a game just fine. There are several ways you can run a good horror game with this premise. But given some of the shit WoD gave us when going such paths, I think it is fortunate that we never got anything beyond the Aabbt as canon (and they being possible canon doesn't seems to me like a problem at all, since they're a unique fluke at least).

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  • SetiteFriend
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    Originally posted by Heavy Arms View Post
    Berlin by Night came out in '93, (so basically on the line of 1e and 2e) and it explicit that animals shouldn't be able to be Embraced and nobody knows how it happened.
    It has a text box saying any animal can be embraced, next to the Aabt Kindred stat block though

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  • Matt the Bruins fan
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    I'm pretty sure it was Revised that lowered the boom on animals being subject to the embrace. I suppose one could retcon the Aabbt Kindred as having been some kind of magical creation like those of one of the Akhu Paths of blood magic rather than actual vampire animals.

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  • CTPhipps
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    There was a Ravenloft Darklord who had this as his background. He was a panther made to seduce a Thayan woman. Sadly, it was very racist due to the fact he was the only black guy in the setting.

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  • Heavy Arms
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    Berlin by Night came out in '93, (so basically on the line of 1e and 2e) and it explicit that animals shouldn't be able to be Embraced and nobody knows how it happened.

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  • Vilenecromancer
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    Originally posted by omenseer View Post
    Are these still canon?
    Cannon in WoD is more like, "it could have happened". That said this was retconned as back in 1e it was 100% possible to embrace animals. However, that has been since retconned. That said I am unsure which edition first explicitly said animals could not be embraced.

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  • Heavy Arms
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    Depends how you want to consider canon? IIRC there's never been any overt retcon or disavowal of the Aabbt, but they were also never brought up ever again. If you have a "hard" or "strict" view on canon... then they'd still be canon as they're in an official source book and nothing since has redone their existence. If you have a "softer" approach to canon they're not and were quietly swept under the rug to never by talked of again.

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  • omenseer
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    Originally posted by MarkK View Post
    There's something that comes close. This deserves a Doctor Weird intro, for sheer bafflingness.



    Aabbt Kindred | White Wolf Wiki | Fandom


    I apologize for that you now know that whole thing existed and that embraced snakes who could transform into snake human hybrids were once a thing in VtM.

    Berlin by Night was unfortunate on many levels, Karl Shrekt notwithstanding.
    Are these still canon?

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  • MarkK
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    There's something that comes close. This deserves a Doctor Weird intro, for sheer bafflingness.



    Aabbt Kindred | White Wolf Wiki | Fandom


    I apologize for that you now know that whole thing existed and that embraced snakes who could transform into snake human hybrids were once a thing in VtM.

    Berlin by Night was unfortunate on many levels, Karl Shrekt notwithstanding.
    Last edited by MarkK; 03-21-2022, 06:33 PM. Reason: Found a shorter "Behold!"

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