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  • #61
    My friend lives there and he told the tale of "Besta-fera", The bestial beast, short-tempered and vicious centaur, armed with a flaming whip, who is said to run through villages, followed by a pack of dogs and the sound of its hooves are so frighting, people drop dead of its sound...
    I never understood what a centaur is doing in the Amazon, in Brazil...
    But used it in a chornicle non the less

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Kakost View Post

      That's a... Disturbing information... I never really delved THIS DEEP into the reproductive habits of the were-guys and... blergh!
      They got help from the Mokole. When you've been through a few mass extinction events, you know how to survive things like the death of your original kin. The only catch is that the new form has to be similar to what it's replacing (that's why Mokole stuck to various reptiles, though they should technically have some bird bloodlines aside from corvids since fuck Linnaeus), but in the case of Homid form, there was apparently a lot of leeway, since the tool-using reptile people that had originally been the analog of this form left no descendants (being entirely fictional) and are only similar to humans in terms of niche and cultural aptitude.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Shadeprowler View Post
        My friend lives there and he told the tale of "Besta-fera", The bestial beast, short-tempered and vicious centaur, armed with a flaming whip, who is said to run through villages, followed by a pack of dogs and the sound of its hooves are so frighting, people drop dead of its sound...
        I never understood what a centaur is doing in the Amazon, in Brazil...
        But used it in a chornicle non the less
        Never heard of this one, ever, but there's a number of regional legends all across the country. It is, after all, bigger than the contiguous US (The US only surpass Brazil in area due to Alaska).

        But on your main difficulty to understand: contrary to the popular definition of Western Culture in the US, presented in Clash of Civilizations by Samuel P. Huntington, South America in general is actually even more "Western" than the US. The "Latin" in the name is the Roman one, after all. We were also colonized by Europeans and have a lot of the baggage still.

        As a result, many of our folklore is either European in origin or told from the perspective of Europeans dealing with entities from native legends, like the Saci dealing mainly with horses in farms and the Curupira playing deadly pranks on the Bandeirantes. The exceedingly popular tale of the Mula-Sem-Cabeça is already pretty centaur-like, although it is actually a headless fire-breathing weremule. So a centaur does not exactly seems so strange.

        Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post
        The only catch is that the new form has to be similar to what it's replacing (that's why Mokole stuck to various reptiles, though they should technically have some bird bloodlines aside from corvids since fuck Linnaeus),
        It's currently a running joke in my games that some Corax call the Mokolé posers, as they're the real dinosaurs.


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        • #64
          Originally posted by monteparnas View Post



          It's currently a running joke in my games that some Corax call the Mokolé posers, as they're the real dinosaurs.
          Yeah, it's one of those funny things that the age of the dinosaurs wasn't a continuation of the age of reptiles. It was the reptiles being supplanted by a bunch of mostly flightless birds. The age when the biggest predator was essentially a seven ton chicken.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by monteparnas View Post

            It's currently a running joke in my games that some Corax call the Mokolé posers, as they're the real dinosaurs.
            Then again, Mokole aren't trying to be dinosaurs alone, but non-Linnaean Reptilia, and Corax don't include non-avian dinosaurs.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post
              Then again, Mokole aren't trying to be dinosaurs alone, but non-Linnaean Reptilia, and Corax don't include non-avian dinosaurs.
              Yes, I know. It is a joke.


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              • #67
                Originally posted by Shadeprowler View Post
                My friend lives there and he told the tale of "Besta-fera", The bestial beast, short-tempered and vicious centaur, armed with a flaming whip, who is said to run through villages, followed by a pack of dogs and the sound of its hooves are so frighting, people drop dead of its sound...
                I never understood what a centaur is doing in the Amazon, in Brazil...
                But used it in a chornicle non the less
                Oh, I was about to say "Centaur"? What the freaking?

                But then I read "...sound of its hooves are so frighting, people drop dead of its sound..."

                Oh ok, I know what you're talking about. It's not a "Centaur", maybe your friend failed to properly communicate. It's the "Mula sem Cabeça", or "Headless Mule", which is exactly that, a Headless Mule. That beast however has a mass of fire in place of it's head. My grandpa also claimed to having witnessing one of those. They are terrifying irrational beasts that destroy everything in their path; if there's one close by, you have to close your eyes and hide your nails so it cant find you. This is one of the most famous monsters of our folklore. It comes from the indigenous natives.

                We also have the "Cuca" (Khukha I guess would be the sound in english) which is a humanoid lizard evil witch; this one fits with Mokoles like a glove, being like a "Crinos" aligator - with magical powers, nonetheless.

                The "Curupira" is a native man with fire hairs and with his feet backwards

                The Ypupiara is a mermaid like sea monsters, but more monstruous than comon mermaids.

                "Saci-Pererê" is a black man with a single leg who is a trickster with magical powers.

                And perhaps the most famous of all, the "Boto cor de Rosa", or "Pink Boto". Boto is the only sweet water dolphin in the world, that lives in the massive amazonic rivers. The natives believe that this animal transforms into a man that impregnates the women of the villages.

                Those are some of the most common myths of brazilian folklore.

                Oh yes, and were beasts too.

                We dont have vampires thou.
                Last edited by Kakost; 06-23-2022, 10:36 AM.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Kakost View Post
                  We also have the "Cuca" (Khukha I guess would be the sound in english) which is a humanoid lizard evil witch; this one fits with Mokoles like a glove, being like a "Crinos" aligator - with magical powers, nonetheless.
                  It bears saying, the Cuca isn't a native legend, it is Portuguese in origin. Many of the others are also better known by Portuguese retelling than by the original indigenous versions.


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                  • #69
                    And there's also the "Boi-ta-ta", which is a massive monstruous serpeant that breaths fire.

                    I heard about all those long time ago, but I dont remember exactly all the details... There was a tail about the Boi Ta Ta for example that I read as a children of an obstinated farmer that had the fastest horse in the world which was his pride and joy, and became obscessed with hunting the monstruous Boi Ta Ta, but he could never reach it, despite his fast horse, until he became so sick with it that he made his beloved horse give it all it had, finally reaching the monstruous serpent - but his horse ends up dying of exaustion.

                    It was something like that, I dont remember what happens after that, it was a kind of Moby Dick like of a story, I dont remember exactly the details, I just remember that at the time I loved it. Brazilian folklore is very weird even for me, and it's also very rich.

                    I guess the reason for the weirdness is because it has less "modern contamination" to it - for example, the original greek myths are most of the times vastly different from what our modern pop culture portrays them. Medusa for example, I was shocked to find that it was a CENTAUR like creature, and that her snake-like lower body is a Hollywood invention

                    Japanese myth likewise is SUPER weird.

                    Even original vampires and werewolves have tons of different tales and myths about, one more strange than the other. The reason why those are a bit more "conventional" is because of extensive modern "padronization" for those, which also includes a ton of rationalization - so for instance, the vampires of Anne Rice have endured an extensive "humanization", thus they are intelligent humans with supernatural features, instead of simply irrational (and sometimes even with random behavior) undeads.

                    So, modern vampires are more appealing to us as modern audiences because we can rationalize their actions, instead of many of the ancient myths that were completely irrational, not following any discernable pattern that could be understandable. For example, in Japan, if you let any object unatended for too long, it could become alive and act in unpredictable ways. That's absolutely terrifying, because it's something completely out of our control.

                    Modern views of myths however, rationalize all of their behaviors. Which is why Hollywood werewolves and vampires arent as strange as brazilian or japanese or other myths or others, because they have all been rationalized in their behaviors - werewolves have an infectious curse that turns them into mindless beasts during the full moon, vampires are undead also with an infectious curse that drink blood and burn in the sun. No longer those are the result of arcane curses laid upon by weird sets of occurances that may be outside of people's control

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                      Then again, Mokole aren't trying to be dinosaurs alone, but non-Linnaean Reptilia, and Corax don't include non-avian dinosaurs.
                      Do Mokole also include turtles in their zoofiliac tendencies?

                      "Turtle Ninjas" is suddenly gaining a new weird meaning...

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by monteparnas View Post
                        It bears saying, the Cuca isn't a native legend, it is Portuguese in origin. Many of the others are also better known by Portuguese retelling than by the original indigenous versions.
                        I did not know that, interesting to know. It makes sense.

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                        • #72
                          Let's not describe anyone's mythologies as super-weird. After all, mythologies are by nature SUPER natural.


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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Kakost View Post

                            Do Mokole also include turtles in their zoofiliac tendencies?

                            "Turtle Ninjas" is suddenly gaining a new weird meaning...
                            Not what it is, and no, they're dead or gone. The dragons of Ryugu shack up with Same-Bito (Rokea) instead; there is, in fact, a merit for Mokole to be kin to the Same-Bito, indicating a long history of cross-breed relationships. It's one way to stymie the potential birth of The Innocents, I suppose, though W5 is likely making that a thing of the past. I wonder if development is going to filter in more of God-Emperor of Dune to make the Mokole feel more alien by default...

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                            • #74
                              For other slats in the know, the ultimate deterrent against warring with vampires is the Obfuscate 5 power, Cloak the Gathering. Your dawn-patrol is going to wipe out a lot of neonates, but the coterie or two you didn't find spells silent death or worse. Even those unfamiliar with vampire disciplines would probably hear of stories of groups of vampires who previous hunts failed to account for carrying out retaliatory attacks.


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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by HorizonParty2021 View Post
                                For other slats in the know, the ultimate deterrent against warring with vampires is the Obfuscate 5 power, Cloak the Gathering. Your dawn-patrol is going to wipe out a lot of neonates, but the coterie or two you didn't find spells silent death or worse. Even those unfamiliar with vampire disciplines would probably hear of stories of groups of vampires who previous hunts failed to account for carrying out retaliatory attacks.

                                The "ultimate deterrent against warring vampires" is the fact that, while young vampires are usually piece of shit, in terms of power, the ones who really pull the strings are more often than not beyond the power of most creatures in the world. So, while all the talk about "fighing the elders" young vampires have, it's basically only because of the most ancients vampires that they have any real chance of "unliving", or better, existing...

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