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  • What mysterious character would you like to know more about?

    Vampire has heaps of characters that's quite a mystery. From the Capuchin to the Third unknown Baali founder. Who would you love to get some new heavy info about?
    If I could chose I would like to know much more about the unknown Necromancer that once according to Revised Clanbook Assamite was together with Ur-Shulgi the leader of the Sorcerers at Alamut.

  • AnubisXy
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    Originally posted by solomon birch View Post
    The Word-Eater (love me some Malks). Also the third Baali.
    Word-Eater has always been the figure I was most interested in.

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  • 11twiggins
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    Originally posted by Aahz View Post
    In theory maybe, but if you good by the rules the other traditions have usually excess to most of the good path and powers, and have on top of this usually some quite good exclusive path and powers.
    Most of the stuff the Tremere have exclusive is very nichy, from Splat books, and not really the stuff most players would take. There are no real trademark Tremere only Path, even the Path of Blood is known in several other traditions.
    My solution is to make some very easily ignored Rituals with subtle power Tremere-only. Blood Walk, Principle Focus of Vitae Infusion, Illuminate the Trail of Prey. If a ritual isn't very showy, but gives a significant tactical advantage, consider making it Tremere-only or exceptionally rare in other Traditions. This turns the Plot Amour of the early Tremere into a logical extension of their powers; they could offer The Prince something no Blood Mage had ever offered before. This could be a stockpile of blood, confirmation of the name of his Grandsire, the location of that pesky errant Childe... And in the War of Omens, all it took for them to beat an Elder Tzimisce would be for them to lay a trap. The Tzimisce would send out their Fledgeling Childer in wave upon wave of attacks, giving the Tremere weapons to use against them. Using Blood Walk they can see the Elder and find out his name, and using other rituals they can now target him in novel ways. They could never beat him in a direct confrontation... so their Ghouls take care of the Elder during the day, letting the sun do the work.

    The power of Thaumaturgy is overcoming boring, practical night-to-night problems. That's why they're the accepted blood mages of the Camarilla. At the end of the night, how useful is creating an Earthquake? It's a very "fuck THIS village in particular" power. The Kolduns aspired to godhood, while the Tremere knew there was power to be found in the most simple of Magics.

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  • Aahz
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    Originally posted by Beckett View Post
    Other Clans have had access to a Thaumatu4gy-like unique Discipline since 1st Ed. The Treme just did it better, codifying it, expanding it, creating further paths beyond what the specific parhs did, usually with a very specific purpose, and made it available for other's uses, for a steep price. The Tremere are still the formost experts, they are just not the first or only.
    In theory maybe, but if you good by the rules the other traditions have usually excess to most of the good path and powers, and have on top of this usually some quite good exclusive path and powers.
    Most of the stuff the Tremere have exclusive is very nichy, from Splat books, and not really the stuff most players would take. There are no real trademark Tremere only Path, even the Path of Blood is known in several other traditions.

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  • 11twiggins
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    Kind of the reverse, but there are some characters I want to know as little about as possible. The Niktutu work because we know so little about them, other than the Gen 4s who are presented in mysterious folk-lore terms (the legends they've inspired, where they were last spotted).

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  • Alucard
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    I would like to know more about Dobrul the founder of the Anda. He is the one that uncovered the Tremere experiments on Gangrel neonates and convinced the Clan to go to war.

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  • Taihunsu
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    Uhm? Every 4th generation Cainite.

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  • Dismas
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    Personally, I'd like to see more on:

    The Stone Man
    The Ankou
    Muricia
    The All-High
    Adonai

    And those are just off the top of my head. I'm sure with a look through the books I could easily triple that list.

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  • Beckett
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    Other Clans have had access to a Thaumatu4gy-like unique Discipline since 1st Ed. The Treme just did it better, codifying it, expanding it, creating further paths beyond what the specific parhs did, usually with a very specific purpose, and made it available for other's uses, for a steep price. The Tremere are still the formost experts, they are just not the first or only. Its also worth noting that the Tremere go out of their way to learn other Clan's Thaumaturgy secrets, and diciminate them through their own Clan, where as most other Clans have very few practicioners and almost never teach it to anyone. The Tremere usually do not either, mind you, but have many more practicioners of that specialty.

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  • Herr Meister
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    Originally posted by The Gentleman Gamer View Post
    Ur-Shulgi is not a Muslim. He's devoted to Haqim, and considers the Clan's Muslims as infidels. So while he may be a part of a predominantly Arabic Clan that specialised in murder, you can cut the Islam section out. He certainly is.

    My dears, the most important aspect of what I have said is that the importance of Ur-Shulgi in the history of WoD is laghable at best when one compare that with Goratrix. At the time I read the book, I confess I was a fan of the Tremere (besically I don't see a problem in liking a clan that everybody seems to hate) and I felt "betrayed" that there were no relevant tremere in there and that WW had decided to continue to make it looks like EVRYTHING that the Tremere stood for was no-nimportant. Not only revised and later supplements turned thaumaturgy (i.e: Blood magic) into something half the clans already had knowledge, BUT they made it look like EVERYONE WAS ALSO BETTER than one of the original clans in it. So, Ur-Shulgi and Al-Ashrad were basically the "icing on the cake" in the mission to show that the tremere sucked even in bloog magic, because everyone had a blood sorcerer that made the entire circle of seven look like dumb pathethic amateurs.

    That was what upset me and still does. As I said, I love new supplements on different kinds of blood sorceries etc as I see that it is obvious that the Tremere didn't invent blood magic, but making them look like they're not even remotely special in that regards kinda sucks imo and I'd say even more. After all of these deviations I, myself, noticed that I became really less and less enthusiastic about the clan (besides having seen half of my friends who liked the clan for their mystic background etc, becoming either fans of the op koldunic sorcery introduced in Blood Magic or simply starting playing mage or moving back to Ars magica lol) because "well, the tremere are just losers", what they do everyone does BETTER and have plenty of "greatest magicians of the world or monstruous super mages witth incomplete character's sheet to frighten the poor tremere fans into submission..lol".

    Cheers,
    Daniel.

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  • The Gentleman Gamer
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    Ur-Shulgi is not a Muslim. He's devoted to Haqim, and considers the Clan's Muslims as infidels. So while he may be a part of a predominantly Arabic Clan that specialised in murder, you can cut the Islam section out. He certainly is.

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  • Resplendent Fire
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    Originally posted by Rumata View Post
    Considering that Ur Shulgi is leading a sect of religiously fanatical all male (until 2nd edition) muslim arabic vampire assassins - Herr Meister is completely right. But that's really a problem with Assamites being a racist carricature which we have discussed at length here.
    That he's saying racist things about a problematic clan doesn't make the racist things okay. That's not how it works.

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  • Beckett
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    So, Beckett was intentionally never stated out because they wanted him to be an enigma, but also because off all the iconic characters, he was one that could pop into a chronicle for a one shot without it needing to be a massive chronicle altering event.

    Anatole brings some sort of doom, Lucita is an infamous assassin/Sabbat paragon, Theo is a hand of the Camarilla, Vykos a hand of the Sabbat, etc,. . . and if they show up, its because a massive change is coming.

    They wanted Beckett to be more freely usable, and so didnt want to pin down stats too much, so different ST could use him as needed.

    Personally, i hope they never do a character sheet for him, or much as far as background.

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  • Rumata
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    Originally posted by Resplendent Fire View Post

    You missed my point entirely - referring to Ur Shulgi as an "al qaeda super mage" or "ISIS mage" or "super bomber mage" is kinda hella racist. I mean when the best you can do is draw a connection to the middle east and then bring in an immediate comparison to terrorists, that only makes sense from a racist perspective. I get that you don't like Ur-Shulgi but surely you can criticize the character without relying on racist tropes.

    Also, Children of the Night was a better supplement than you acknowledge. The majority of characters described in the book are fairly complete and totally usable in relevant chronicles. And El Diablo Verde was awesome.
    Considering that Ur Shulgi is leading a sect of religiously fanatical all male (until 2nd edition) muslim arabic vampire assassins - Herr Meister is completely right. But that's really a problem with Assamites being a racist carricature which we have discussed at length here.

    Now, to the topic question.
    Honest answer: none of them. I don't care about mysterious super powerful NPCs with a Plan, 5th generation and 11th degree black belt in vampirejutsu. I just don't. My games are about PCs, 8th-13th generation vampires with power and interests located within a single city. Not about some secret movers and shakers who have been pulling the strings since ancient Babylon.
    But if I had to list some characters... Goratrix, the only Tremere to ever actually do something, would be nice to elaborate on. I wouldn't mind to see Azaneal explained in more detail - Black Hand book just slapped a black hat on him and reduced a potentially interesting character to Chaotic Evil Alien who wants to destroy the world.

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  • Herr Meister
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    Originally posted by Resplendent Fire View Post

    Try reading the book sometime. Did you miss all the princes, justicars, archbishops, inconnu, etc.? You make it sound like the presence of one pivotal character (Ur-Shulgi) and one character you deem a joke completely eliminates all meaningful characters in the rest of the book, and that is simply an absurd stance to take. CotN is literally full of pivotal characters, how is it that two of them completely ruin the supplement for you?

    Your dislike for these characters is your opinion, not an objective assessment of the book. You're slanting the book considerably to make it sound like it completely fails at what it set out to do when in fact it achieves its goals. I mean I'm sorry it doesn't have enough Tremere for your taste, but it's not lacking in influential characters.

    Well, I think you got me wrong...again. I loved the book my dear! The thing is, I'm not the kind of guy who gets easily satisfied and I think it could have been much better, but if I sounded like I didn't like the book, that wasn't my intent. I'm always complaining about everything, even more about things I like lol...I just mean that we need more supplement to deal with real important characters and that the book, imo, commited some mistakes in giving too much space to some characters that are not really relevant etc...and come on, the only relevant Tremere there is Aisling Sturbridge, that justicar Anaztaz di Zagreb was disgusting, and I missed mr. good old Karl Schrekt haha...but as I said, I liked the book, the thing is that is could have been better. Is it hard to get?

    Cheers,
    Daniel.

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