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  • #16
    There are a few interesting creature from CthuluTech that can be ported to cWoD. Integrity-scale creatures would be problematic though.

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    • #17
      Not that terms matter a whole lot, but I didn't mistype. I have never heard the term 'supernal' applied in Werewolf. Is that a mage thing? The greater Celestines are as 'big' as the spirits get in my umbra book. Gaia herself is listed as a Greater Celestine.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by The Laughing Stranger View Post
        Not that terms matter a whole lot, but I didn't mistype. I have never heard the term 'supernal' applied in Werewolf. Is that a mage thing? The greater Celestines are as 'big' as the spirits get in my umbra book. Gaia herself is listed as a Greater Celestine.
        Interesting. I think I came to start using the term "Supernals" from here on the forums. In most books, "the Triat" is about all the classification I could find for the Weaver/Wyld/Wyrm. But it is clearly stated that they are above the Celestines.
        From W20:
        Originally posted by W20, Page 326
        Although Celestines are cosmologically less than the forces of the Triat, they possess vast and unfathomable spiritual power.
        And I can't find any mention of Gaia being a "greater Celestine". She is listed separately from the Celestine section in the core books. I seem to remember Gaia being listed as the Celestine of Earth in Rage Across the Heavens, but whether or not that Celestine is a lesser form of Gaia or not is entirely up to debate, since they can't seem to decide if she is above or below the Triat.


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        • #19
          Ah. My Umbra: Velvet Shadows book (admittedly an ancient and hoary tome) lists Gaia as a 'Greater Celestine' on page 11. Seems it is just a version difference... the wiki, which is hardly authoritative, I know, lists her as a powerful Celestine also, but that has likely not been brought into line with W20.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by The Laughing Stranger View Post
            Ah. My Umbra: Velvet Shadows book (admittedly an ancient and hoary tome) lists Gaia as a 'Greater Celestine' on page 11. Seems it is just a version difference... the wiki, which is hardly authoritative, I know, lists her as a powerful Celestine also, but that has likely not been brought into line with W20.
            Early Installment Weirdness is common for old WoD stuff.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by The Laughing Stranger View Post
              Ah. My Umbra: Velvet Shadows book (admittedly an ancient and hoary tome) lists Gaia as a 'Greater Celestine' on page 11. Seems it is just a version difference... the wiki, which is hardly authoritative, I know, lists her as a powerful Celestine also, but that has likely not been brought into line with W20.
              What Saur Ops Specialist said. Different writers, years apart doesn't help.


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              • #22
                Kind of gives me a vibe of the Yozis being Neverborned, like Kimbery certainly sounds like a mother of Krakens for instance. Hehehe...


                But These sound like Malfeans and Maljin, so basically the Labyrinth of Wraith in the deepest darkest layers sometimes connects into Malfeas. And some Maeljin are also Malfeans in the Underworld. The lines blur with Great evils, and in the Mirror Lands of the East it is more easily understood as both Dark Umbra and Animistic Umbra have Dark Lords of Yomi.


                It is a time for great deeds!

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