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  • Thoughts on future werewolf 5ed by looking at the BNS book

    NOTE: This is not meant to be a hate piece or an attack on the future WtA content by White Wolf. It is to discuss and analyze it. It is also meant to showcase why some things it has would ill-fit WtA as currently stands.


    First of all, to not be unfair of the content, I'll start with the positives first;

    - The history section is not badly written and uses the content pretty well.

    -The splitting of the Nation has potential, if done right. I like that Shadow Lords headline the more tolerant faction, as well.

    -The Derangement rules are better and avoid fishmalky stuff.

    However, I have to be honest about the things that worry me;

    The Bitten: Yes, the 'bitten kinfolk turn to garou' has been kept.

    Furies and Males: In the history section, Furies suddenly start having male and female children equally and this makes them want to keep the male garou children. I have said this before and I say it again, the Furies shouldn't have to add males to the tribe. Their duty is to womanhood, and one has to respect sacred feminity a bit. Plus, it is like human Red Talons, going against the core ideals of the tribe.

    Glass Walkers and the Weaver: Glass Walkers are now happy for more Weaver things and being 'of the Wyld' is a negative thing to them. Glass Walkers, at least how I read the revised tb, knew Weaver was dangerous and tried to somehow help Gaia live in the cities. And yes, Wyld was a factor in that.

    Jobs: Yes, they are still listed with the auspices. Even to the Sanctum of Gaia tribes, for some reason.

    The thicker Gauntlet+fewer Caerns: Given how much the Nation was on its last legs with the Caerns and Gauntlet, this really does not feel like a good addition. While splitting of the Nation is a big thing, this entirely changes the core of the game. I'm not even bothered by the post-Apocalypse plot, but in general it takes away the feeling of keeping hold of what still remains and juggling between tradition and new ideas.



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    i'v'e still knew to wta, could you tell me what's a bns and hw can i get the information you are mentioning here?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nicolas Milioni View Post
      i'v'e still knew to wta, could you tell me what's a bns and hw can i get the information you are mentioning here?
      By NIght studios, the new LARP publisher for White Wolf. For -current- WtA content, I'd say go for Werewolf the Apocalypse 20th edition. If you want to check the book I mentioned here out, look for Minds Eye Theatre Werewolf the Apocalypse.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ana Mizuki View Post

        By NIght studios, the new LARP publisher for White Wolf. For -current- WtA content, I'd say go for Werewolf the Apocalypse 20th edition. If you want to check the book I mentioned here out, look for Minds Eye Theatre Werewolf the Apocalypse.
        Thank you! about the changes, i can see the GW'S being more resistant to the Wyld. See, the setting is there is a Apocalypse coming and that the Garou are going to lose everything, right? So it makes sense that they'd want to stick to what they know

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        • #5
          Note: Glasswalker is my favorite tribe.

          I kind of hate how Glasswalkers are all "Weaver good/Wyld bad." While I believe that is how the rest of the Garou nation sees Glasswalkers, I feel they see Weaver as a Tool and something to be controlled, rather than a preference over the Wyld.


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          • #6
            Ana Mizuki, thanks for the post. Now I'm a more apprehensive about the possible upcoming edition. I never paid attention to the BNS books. Why did the Garou Nation split? And who ended up where?

            Agreeing with wonderandawe, I don't like that take on the Glasswalkers. That really was just supposed to be how the other Garou viewed them. Not how they actually are.



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            • #7
              Originally posted by idpersona View Post
              Ana Mizuki, thanks for the post. Now I'm a more apprehensive about the possible upcoming edition. I never paid attention to the BNS books. Why did the Garou Nation split? And who ended up where?
              Basically, the Nation split on whether they should follow the old ways and fight the Weaver while others wanted to allow new allies (vampires, fera and mages) and use the Weaver to fight the Wyrm.

              The split was;

              Sanctum of Gaia: Black Furies, Fianna, Get of Fenris, Red Talons, Silver Fangs and Wendigo

              Concordiat of the Stars: Bone Gnawers, Glass Walkers, Children of Gaia, Shadow Lords, Stargazers and Uktena

              Striders are neutral.


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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ana Mizuki View Post

                Basically, the Nation split on whether they should follow the old ways and fight the Weaver while others wanted to allow new allies (vampires, fera and mages) and use the Weaver to fight the Wyrm.

                The split was;

                Sanctum of Gaia: Black Furies, Fianna, Get of Fenris, Red Talons, Silver Fangs and Wendigo

                Concordiat of the Stars: Bone Gnawers, Glass Walkers, Children of Gaia, Shadow Lords, Stargazers and Uktena

                Striders are neutral.
                Why the fuck would the Stargazers want to use the Weaver to fight the Wyrm? Or the Uktena, or any of them? They all have front-row seats for the Weaver's shit-show, 24/7, and the Stargazers are the main proponents outside of the Furies and Talons that say that the Weaver is possibly the real enemy! This split makes as much sense as the 2e Lunar factions!.

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                • #9
                  I'm surprised that no one has made mention of the eighth sign of the phoenix...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                    Why the fuck would the Stargazers want to use the Weaver to fight the Wyrm? Or the Uktena, or any of them? They all have front-row seats for the Weaver's shit-show, 24/7, and the Stargazers are the main proponents outside of the Furies and Talons that say that the Weaver is possibly the real enemy! This split makes as much sense as the 2e Lunar factions!.
                    I think it is a split between allowing tribes vs traditional ones. I think MOST in the Star gang are there because Fera are allowed in.


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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ana Mizuki View Post

                      Basically, the Nation split on whether they should follow the old ways and fight the Weaver while others wanted to allow new allies (vampires, fera and mages) and use the Weaver to fight the Wyrm.

                      The split was;

                      Sanctum of Gaia: Black Furies, Fianna, Get of Fenris, Red Talons, Silver Fangs and Wendigo

                      Concordiat of the Stars: Bone Gnawers, Glass Walkers, Children of Gaia, Shadow Lords, Stargazers and Uktena

                      Striders are neutral.
                      That sounds...terrible. I don't understand at all how the Tribes would have ended up that way.

                      Should I even ask about the other Fera?
                      Originally posted by Gangrel44 View Post
                      I'm surprised that no one has made mention of the eighth sign of the phoenix...
                      ... So what's going on with the eighth sign?


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ana Mizuki View Post
                        Jobs: Yes, they are still listed with the auspices. Even to the Sanctum of Gaia tribes, for some reason.
                        What do you mean by jobs?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by LokiRavenSpeak View Post

                          What do you mean by jobs?
                          As in, each tribe's auspice lists what jobs they would do in the human world. Bear in mind that this includes ahroun and galliards.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ana Mizuki View Post
                            NOTE: This is not meant to be a hate piece or an attack on the future WtA content by White Wolf. It is to discuss and analyze it. It is also meant to showcase why some things it has would ill-fit WtA as currently stands.

                            The Bitten: Yes, the 'bitten kinfolk turn to garou' has been kept.

                            Furies and Males: In the history section, Furies suddenly start having male and female children equally and this makes them want to keep the male garou children. I have said this before and I say it again, the Furies shouldn't have to add males to the tribe. Their duty is to womanhood, and one has to respect sacred feminity a bit. Plus, it is like human Red Talons, going against the core ideals of the tribe.

                            Jobs: Yes, they are still listed with the auspices. Even to the Sanctum of Gaia tribes, for some reason.
                            Curious about the Bitten and Jobs, and wondering if you could give a few more details?

                            As for the Furies, there was never a Birth disparity. They utilized strong relationships with other tribes to maintain numbers and 'balance'. Male Garou went to CoG, sometimes other tribes. They took in a disproportionate number of female lost cubs and occasional other converts.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by EvilTyger View Post

                              Curious about the Bitten and Jobs, and wondering if you could give a few more details?

                              As for the Furies, there was never a Birth disparity. They utilized strong relationships with other tribes to maintain numbers and 'balance'. Male Garou went to CoG, sometimes other tribes. They took in a disproportionate number of female lost cubs and occasional other converts.
                              Jobs are simply human jobs each auspice of a tribe can do in the human world. Given the role of kinfolk, and Rage, I rather dislike them being just randomly listed.

                              The Bitten are kinfolk or Lost Cubs who, due to a bite from a garou, turn into garou.


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