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  • BurritoMage
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    So is this supposed to be the "new" setting for NuWW?

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by EvilTyger View Post
    Quite a few of these changes I can get behind. A method to have a Garou first change somewhere other than puberty opens quite a few doors. I am hoping it's not just some random thing though, because this would mean sickies during coitus create Metis.
    That's already a pretty big danger in the setting as presented, though, since W20 presents it as "you can't tell if someone is a pre-Change Garou or if they're kinfolk", and not everyone does change on time...

    Jobs sounds awkward. Like a soldier having to make sure he finishes a battle quickly so he can be home in time to shower, change, and flip burgers.
    Especially since he has a set of inhuman drives that would make being motivated for a typical job... difficult, to say the least.

    Fewer Caerns is something I've always believed in, and 'protectorates' like were seen in Rage Across New York got a little more screen time from me. Previous authors and developers have talked about there being as few as 3 per continent, in order to keep them special and valuable. However, that ran into the issue of 'everybody wants one in their home town'. While I would never have gone that low myself, gateways into the spirit world should be relatively rare and valuable, and not within easy walking distance of each other. (And this is before taking into account the other game lines that have similar places.)
    On the other hand, the BNS game bent over backwards to make the Umbra inaccessible, like it's some kind of vanilla alternate universe instead of the soul of the world. It also had some weird things about the Gauntlet being impassible for Gaian changers in Wyrm caerns... even though that has never been a thing.

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  • EvilTyger
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    Quite a few of these changes I can get behind. A method to have a Garou first change somewhere other than puberty opens quite a few doors. I am hoping it's not just some random thing though, because this would mean sickies during coitus create Metis. Jobs sounds awkward. Like a soldier having to make sure he finishes a battle quickly so he can be home in time to shower, change, and flip burgers.

    Fewer Caerns is something I've always believed in, and 'protectorates' like were seen in Rage Across New York got a little more screen time from me. Previous authors and developers have talked about there being as few as 3 per continent, in order to keep them special and valuable. However, that ran into the issue of 'everybody wants one in their home town'. While I would never have gone that low myself, gateways into the spirit world should be relatively rare and valuable, and not within easy walking distance of each other. (And this is before taking into account the other game lines that have similar places.)

    ​Did Stargazers come back from the Beast Courts? Or did they never leave in the LARP setting? Basically it boiled down to 'the Tribal Elders got fed up, and stopped coming to the meetings' (which had exactly as much impact on the PCs and Story as the players wanted them to have.) If anything, I would have used their departure as the springboard for the split rather than retcon it out.




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  • wonderandawe
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    Jobs - I'm not too fazed by this part. Larp is all about social interaction, so maybe they are toning down the effects of Rage on normal people? More curious about the list honestly.

    Bitten - my first reactions is NOPE NOPE NOPE. This blurs the line between Kin and Garou and could cause all sorts of crazy drama. After my first reaction faded, I will reserver judgement until I read the section and see what limits are on it. I assume it's not "You got bit, you become Garou!"

    I don't want to get into the split between the tribes. I liked the tribes working as individual groups instead of "I'm a tradition Garou!" "I'm a progressive Garou!"
    Last edited by wonderandawe; 02-27-2017, 09:46 PM.

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  • Caitiff Primogen
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    I'm all for more conflict within the Garou Nation, but drawing an arbitrary line down the middle of it seems kinda ridiculous. I also don't get why the Glasswalkers would go all Cyberdog again having just expended no small effort in purging them.

    I'll admit I actually really like all the Bitten stuff, but I'm also not really part of Werewolf's core fanbase so I wouldn't be surprised to meet disagreement on that point.

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  • Ana Mizuki
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    Originally posted by EvilTyger View Post

    Curious about the Bitten and Jobs, and wondering if you could give a few more details?

    As for the Furies, there was never a Birth disparity. They utilized strong relationships with other tribes to maintain numbers and 'balance'. Male Garou went to CoG, sometimes other tribes. They took in a disproportionate number of female lost cubs and occasional other converts.
    Jobs are simply human jobs each auspice of a tribe can do in the human world. Given the role of kinfolk, and Rage, I rather dislike them being just randomly listed.

    The Bitten are kinfolk or Lost Cubs who, due to a bite from a garou, turn into garou.

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  • EvilTyger
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    Originally posted by Ana Mizuki View Post
    NOTE: This is not meant to be a hate piece or an attack on the future WtA content by White Wolf. It is to discuss and analyze it. It is also meant to showcase why some things it has would ill-fit WtA as currently stands.

    The Bitten: Yes, the 'bitten kinfolk turn to garou' has been kept.

    Furies and Males: In the history section, Furies suddenly start having male and female children equally and this makes them want to keep the male garou children. I have said this before and I say it again, the Furies shouldn't have to add males to the tribe. Their duty is to womanhood, and one has to respect sacred feminity a bit. Plus, it is like human Red Talons, going against the core ideals of the tribe.

    Jobs: Yes, they are still listed with the auspices. Even to the Sanctum of Gaia tribes, for some reason.
    Curious about the Bitten and Jobs, and wondering if you could give a few more details?

    As for the Furies, there was never a Birth disparity. They utilized strong relationships with other tribes to maintain numbers and 'balance'. Male Garou went to CoG, sometimes other tribes. They took in a disproportionate number of female lost cubs and occasional other converts.

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  • Ana Mizuki
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    Originally posted by LokiRavenSpeak View Post

    What do you mean by jobs?
    As in, each tribe's auspice lists what jobs they would do in the human world. Bear in mind that this includes ahroun and galliards.

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  • LokiRavenSpeak
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    Originally posted by Ana Mizuki View Post
    Jobs: Yes, they are still listed with the auspices. Even to the Sanctum of Gaia tribes, for some reason.
    What do you mean by jobs?

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  • idpersona
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    Originally posted by Ana Mizuki View Post

    Basically, the Nation split on whether they should follow the old ways and fight the Weaver while others wanted to allow new allies (vampires, fera and mages) and use the Weaver to fight the Wyrm.

    The split was;

    Sanctum of Gaia: Black Furies, Fianna, Get of Fenris, Red Talons, Silver Fangs and Wendigo

    Concordiat of the Stars: Bone Gnawers, Glass Walkers, Children of Gaia, Shadow Lords, Stargazers and Uktena

    Striders are neutral.
    That sounds...terrible. I don't understand at all how the Tribes would have ended up that way.

    Should I even ask about the other Fera?
    Originally posted by Gangrel44 View Post
    I'm surprised that no one has made mention of the eighth sign of the phoenix...
    ... So what's going on with the eighth sign?

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  • Ana Mizuki
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    Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

    Why the fuck would the Stargazers want to use the Weaver to fight the Wyrm? Or the Uktena, or any of them? They all have front-row seats for the Weaver's shit-show, 24/7, and the Stargazers are the main proponents outside of the Furies and Talons that say that the Weaver is possibly the real enemy! This split makes as much sense as the 2e Lunar factions!.
    I think it is a split between allowing tribes vs traditional ones. I think MOST in the Star gang are there because Fera are allowed in.

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  • Gangrel44
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    I'm surprised that no one has made mention of the eighth sign of the phoenix...

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by Ana Mizuki View Post

    Basically, the Nation split on whether they should follow the old ways and fight the Weaver while others wanted to allow new allies (vampires, fera and mages) and use the Weaver to fight the Wyrm.

    The split was;

    Sanctum of Gaia: Black Furies, Fianna, Get of Fenris, Red Talons, Silver Fangs and Wendigo

    Concordiat of the Stars: Bone Gnawers, Glass Walkers, Children of Gaia, Shadow Lords, Stargazers and Uktena

    Striders are neutral.
    Why the fuck would the Stargazers want to use the Weaver to fight the Wyrm? Or the Uktena, or any of them? They all have front-row seats for the Weaver's shit-show, 24/7, and the Stargazers are the main proponents outside of the Furies and Talons that say that the Weaver is possibly the real enemy! This split makes as much sense as the 2e Lunar factions!.

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  • Ana Mizuki
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    Originally posted by idpersona View Post
    Ana Mizuki, thanks for the post. Now I'm a more apprehensive about the possible upcoming edition. I never paid attention to the BNS books. Why did the Garou Nation split? And who ended up where?
    Basically, the Nation split on whether they should follow the old ways and fight the Weaver while others wanted to allow new allies (vampires, fera and mages) and use the Weaver to fight the Wyrm.

    The split was;

    Sanctum of Gaia: Black Furies, Fianna, Get of Fenris, Red Talons, Silver Fangs and Wendigo

    Concordiat of the Stars: Bone Gnawers, Glass Walkers, Children of Gaia, Shadow Lords, Stargazers and Uktena

    Striders are neutral.

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  • idpersona
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    Ana Mizuki, thanks for the post. Now I'm a more apprehensive about the possible upcoming edition. I never paid attention to the BNS books. Why did the Garou Nation split? And who ended up where?

    Agreeing with wonderandawe, I don't like that take on the Glasswalkers. That really was just supposed to be how the other Garou viewed them. Not how they actually are.

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