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    The By Night Studios/5e thread made me play Arm Chair game designer and consider what crazy stuff I'd add/change in Werewolf.

    Garou, Kinfolk, and the First Change
    All Garou are Kinfolk until about the month before their first change. Then the new Garou will go though mood swings, animals beserking in their presence, strange cravings, etc culminating into their first change. The Majority of Garou go though their first change in their teens/early twenties (or equivalent age for Lupus/Metis), however any Kinfolk could change into Garou anytime after puberty and until death. Late life first changes are especially tragic as it could break up families. If the new Garou is in a relationship with another Garou, they are forced to part.

    No one know what triggers a first change. More savage tribes will raise their children roughly, trying to trigger a first change. Below are some correlations for First Changes:

    1. Garou is descended from Great Warriors/Heros (Pure Breed)
    2. Garou has a Garou Parent of high rank (Cliaths and Fostern aren't encouraged to breed until they become Adren)
    3. Garou has an older Garou parent (This may be the true reason for #2)
    4. Garou parent is active in their child's life (Garou are discouraged from "sowing their Wild oats")
    5. The Sept has experienced great losses.

    But really, no one knows why one Kin becomes Garou and another doesn't. It comes down to the Will of Gaia.

    Glasswalkers and effects of having No Lupus Kin
    As the Red Talons have no Homid kin, Glasswalkers have no true Lupus kin. The tribe simply could not keep their wolf kin from being domesticated. However, this lack had a curious effect. Glasswalker Lupus form resembles dogs. While this freaks out the other tribes of the Garou nation, the Glasswalkers see this as an advantage. They are able to walk though a city without causing a wolf panic.

    (Okay, this idea is really out there, but I was trying to think of an equivalent to the Red Talon's "Neanderthal looks." Anyways, I think Glasswalkers, not Bone Gnawers, should have the dog form. )


    What would you change in the setting?


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  • #2
    I'd make "adopting a truly worthy and deserving kin, or ordinary mortal, Possible, but COSTLY.

    I know it goes against long established themes but.


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    • #3
      The world in general

      WoD is not a nice place, less because the setting is dark, and more because centuries of supernatural influence have molded it to go into different routes than our world. However, this isn't all bad. Nature is much more vibrant and much more plentiful in WoD, thanks to garou and kinfolk efforts. Of course, the average joe won't get to experience this beauty as any plot of land that can be salvaged for territory by garou or any other changer, is guarded.

      There is no Pentex. Rather, the Wyrm's corruption can appear anywhere where corners were cut and where cheap labor was used. While there are stores that are tainted, there is no greater conspiracy behind it.

      The Garou Nation
      Three tribes are lost, and there are many more that are teetering on the edge. The western garou have lost much of their ties with Fera, and can only look with envy at the Ahadi and Beast Courts. But, the Nation is trying its best to do the right thing, even as the world moves closer and closer to the Apocalypse.

      Black Furies have never been a tribe of unity, but as the newer generations of Furies start to hold more and more alien views to their elders, there are challenges and arguments far too often to the Crones. The elders don't help their case, as old traditions of human sacrifice and laying curses are upheld to not lose those traditions to newer ones. Transwomen are accepted after Pegasus themselves appeared to the theurges of the tribe in dreams to announce unity of all women. However, any trans Fury is going to face suspicion from both the tribes elders and younger members. Womanhood has never been more varied than now, and to a tribe of traditionalists, it is getting harder and harder to accept all aspects of it.

      Bone Gnawers have witnessed a very changing pool of homeless and poor. As more and more college students and laid-off workers find themselves scrounging for any scraps of employment and food, the tribe's ways of democracy have attracted many cubs who have grown tired of the previous generations spoiling the world for the new. They don't as much see themselves as the omega, but as revolutionaries fighting for the have-nots of society. Time will tell if these youths can truly bring change, or will they become as jaded as their elders.

      If the Black Furies are facing a divide, then the Children of Gaia are currently looking at a wide chasm between the Elders and cliath of the tribe. The tribe, despite its large size, spread itself far too thin on various projects. In doing this, they forgot to teach their youths the ways and culture of the tribe. Now the Elders can't help but despair at their partying, mostly ignorant and garou mating cliaths. Attempts to fix the issue have luckily proven successful, but it will be a long time until the tribe dares to send their cliath to mixed tribe septs again. Of course, not all cliath have faced ignorance. Those lucky enough to gain proper mentors have often saved the name of their tribe in mixed packs.

      But within the tribe, an unseen threat is rising to prominence. There are some in the tribe who have chosen to subtly manipulate things so that one day, the Children of Gaia would replace all other tribes. Worse, these garou have had time to lay down the groundwork for their grand plan. Ancestor spirits, graves, fetishes and even some Caerns have been claimed by these manipulators.



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      • #4
        I'd specify that Homids and Lupus can only breed true with others of their breed. It makes the wolf-lineages of the tribes more critical to preserve, and removes the weird 'fuck a wolf, it's your duty to Gaia!' method of creating Lupus.

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        • #5
          I would make it easier for Kinfolk to develop Gifts, Gnosis, Rank, and Rites, making them the equivalent for Garou that the Kinain are from Changelings. I would have Kinfolk having a maximum Gnosis and a maximum Rank equal to their Pure Breed Background. While Pure Breed 0 Kinfolk could learn Level 1 Gifts that do not require Gnosis or Willpower at a high cost, Kinfolk with the Pure Breed Background would be able to develop Gnosis and Rank up to their Pure Breed Background as if they were Garou and could learn and use Gifts and Rites with a level equal to or less than their Rank that did not require Rage as if they were Garou. I would also allow Pure Breed of any level for the Kinfolk of any Tribe of Garou or Breed of Fera.
          Last edited by Aya Tari; 03-02-2017, 05:14 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The Laughing Stranger View Post
            I'd specify that Homids and Lupus can only breed true with others of their breed. It makes the wolf-lineages of the tribes more critical to preserve, and removes the weird 'fuck a wolf, it's your duty to Gaia!' method of creating Lupus.


            I will go on record and say I HATE this idea.

            I like the added complications that can come into a family tree, from having an ancestor of the opposite breed.

            I understand your feelings but most emphaticly reject them.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post



              I will go on record and say I HATE this idea.

              I like the added complications that can come into a family tree, from having an ancestor of the opposite breed.

              I understand your feelings but most emphaticly reject them.
              I agree, I love using stories where humans and animals are literally kin. It is one of the oldest stories of humanity, so it would cheapen the setting to remove it. After all, the entire point of the Fera is the joining of Animal and Human.

              I had a game where a family of Khan Kinfolk were equally Animal and Human, and the family begged every fertile Khan male to lay with every fertile female, Animal or Human, regardless of the breed of the Khan. Since everyone in that Khan Kinfolk family possessed Pure Breed 5 because they had been following that practice for thousands years, they were quite successful in their persuasions. The fact that they also had a large population hidden from the world (1,000 Human Kinfolk and 1,000 Tiger Kinfolk) also did not hurt.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Aya Tari View Post
                I would make it easier for Kinfolk to develop Gifts, Gnosis, Rank, and Rites, making them the equivalent for Garou that the Kinain are from Changelings. I would have Kinfolk having a maximum Gnosis and a maximum Rank equal to their Pure Breed Background. While Pure Breed 0 Kinfolk could learn Level 1 Gifts that do not require Gnosis or Willpower at a high cost, Kinfolk with the Pure Breed Background would be able to develop Gnosis and Rank up to their Pure Breed Background as if they were Garou and could learn and use Gifts and Rites with a level equal to or less than their Rank that did not require Rage as if they were Garou. I would also allow Pure Breed of any level for the Kinfolk of any Tribe of Garou or Breed of Fera.


                Thats a... pretty major setting change.

                was about to say it screws over bone gnawers and walkers... but then notice letting anyone have any degree of of pure breed.

                It radically shifts the setting in ways both good and bad.


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                • #9
                  Yes, it would be a major change, but it would give a reason beyond reproduction for Pure Breed to be treasured among the Fera (even the Breeds of Fera or Tribes of Garpu without Pure Breed would treasure it within their Kinfolk). It would become similar to the Fae Blood Background of the Kinain (which caps the maximum Glamour and the maximum Arts and Realms of the Kinain). It would also mean that exceptional Kinfolk with high levels of Pure Breed would be able to become leaders among the Fera, though they would never be war leaders because they would lack the durability and the power of the Fera (they would instead be respected advisors, mystics, and sages). How else do you think that it change things (for better or ill)?

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                  • #10
                    It powers up kinfolk in general


                    That is both good and ill.


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                    • #11
                      I would get rid of howling.... (Growling is still cool) and the children of Gaia...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post

                        I understand your feelings but most emphaticly reject them.
                        Shrug. Maybe it is just where I live, but I have found that the game is kind of a hard sell if you try to spin bestiality as a virtue.

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                        • #13
                          If Garou eating wolves is cannibalism, then Garou mating with wolves isn't beastiality.

                          Though since Garou can talk to wolves, they can also gain consent from them. And they are not mating with the wolves in homid.

                          I don't know. I see the situation more as nature documentary than strange fetish porn myself.

                          I'd never force the situation on a player or ST myself. Definately falls under "the Red Rule"
                          Last edited by wonderandawe; 03-02-2017, 10:07 PM.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by wonderandawe View Post
                            I don't know. I see the situation more as nature documentary than strange fetish porn myself.
                            Mature games for mature minds....

                            If I could change anything it would be the antagonists, pentex and the whole lot is just cartoonish evil.

                            Rather then have the wyrm be corrupted and driven insane by the weaver I would add a forth element that predates the trio. Sorta like the darkness from L5R or Leviathan from Armageddon.
                            Last edited by BurritoMage; 03-02-2017, 10:34 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The Laughing Stranger View Post

                              Shrug. Maybe it is just where I live, but I have found that the game is kind of a hard sell if you try to spin bestiality as a virtue.
                              where do you live? I live in Oklahoma right in the middle of the bible belt.


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