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  • #16
    Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

    Grounding, mostly. The WoD does, in fact, bill itself as "this world but darker", so horse-sized dire wolves, venomous caecilians, and D&D-copied Yama Queens are kind of a drag on that.
    This isn't really accurate either. Wild West is full of animals that don't exist in the real world, like howlers, chupacabras, jackalopes and texas tarantulas. It has pterosaurs living in the canyons of Arizona. Does that harm the setting? The things aren't bygones, they don't have magic powers, they are flesh and blood beings that are just weird as hell. They make over-sized direwolves look tame by comparison.

    If you want more realism in your game, fine, but don't treat this as being anything other than your highly scientific (and in my opinion, overly rigorous) standard.


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    • #17
      Originally posted by The Laughing Stranger View Post
      This isn't really accurate either. Wild West is full of animals that don't exist in the real world, like howlers, chupacabras, jackalopes and texas tarantulas.
      Well, whole fiction is expected to be added on with werewolves and vampires and Thunderwyrms and all.

      It has pterosaurs living in the canyons of Arizona. Does that harm the setting?
      I never caught that last one. Couldn't split funds into W:tWW.

      The things aren't bygones,
      Well, yeah, This is Werewolf, not Mage. (^VVVVV^)

      they don't have magic powers, they are flesh and blood beings that are just weird as hell. They make over-sized direwolves look tame by comparison.

      If you want more realism in your game, fine, but don't treat this as being anything other than your highly scientific (and in my opinion, overly rigorous) standard.
      WoD games have a history of poorly researched details, though, and that's what I chalk up the unintentional differences to, so I can't see the merit of a venomous caecilian that's not a gorgon, fomor, kami or what have you.

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      • #18
        Whoops, I meant Great Beasts, not Bygones (I don't even play mage, lol).

        It just seems like you are saying 'those weird animals don't count, because they are made up whole-cloth, and those other weird animals don't count because WW was scientifically inaccurate.' White Wolf might have gotten sloppy at points, no arguments there, but this is starting to seem like a No True Scotsman situation. All of the examples of made-up animals I can point to you could handwave as being supernatural by dint of their not-existing in the real world and/or WW shitting the bed and included them because they couldn't be arsed to do proper research.

        I think there are lots of intentional differences between our world and WoD... sometimes it is fun to be surprised by the presence of pterodactyl-like creatures swooping through Devil's Canyon.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by The Laughing Stranger View Post

          It just seems like you are saying 'those weird animals don't count, because they are made up whole-cloth
          As are werewolves, etc. I just view them as part of an occult setting package.

          and those other weird animals don't count because WW was scientifically inaccurate.' White Wolf might have gotten sloppy at points, no arguments there, but this is starting to seem like a No True Scotsman situation. All of the examples of made-up animals I can point to you could handwave as being supernatural by dint of their not-existing in the real world and/or WW shitting the bed and included them because they couldn't be arsed to do proper research.
          Some things just don't occur to me as part of the aforementioned occult setting package. I file mistakes in descriptions of real-world animals under a different envelope than the others, and continue to be confused about why people take it as part of the same. At some point, it begins to wear at the list of things I don't need to reconsider in a setting, such as bodily composition and biochemistry. Trying to redefine those results in a headache.

          I think there are lots of intentional differences between our world and WoD... sometimes it is fun to be surprised by the presence of pterodactyl-like creatures swooping through Devil's Canyon.
          Again, I never managed to get a copy of that material, so it might as well be the Bygone Bestiary to me. (^VVVVVV^).

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Synapse View Post
            Boitatá.
            Flaming giant serpents protectors of the woods and burner of firestarters.
            There really needs to be a Mokole-membe gift that lets them do that.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Mercurial View Post
              What are some good non crocodile, caiman, or alligator breed forms for Mokole? I am trying to look past the obvious for options.

              EDIT: Obviously that was meant to be "Amazon." I'm writing this on my phone so mistakes sometimes get through.
              Giant anaconda? (I admit this is just because I find the recently discovered Titanoboa really fascinating. I can't recall what the Mokole breedbook said about them having constrictor forms.)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post

                Giant anaconda? (I admit this is just because I find the recently discovered Titanoboa really fascinating. I can't recall what the Mokole breedbook said about them having constrictor forms.)
                Wouldn't it be a Naga then?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by BurritoMage View Post

                  Wouldn't it be a Naga then?
                  I think (but am not entirely certain) that Nagah have to be venomous snakes, while Mokole can develop constrictor traits as part of their dreamed-up war form.

                  Personally, I just find the idea of a South American Mokole who can turn into a 40 foot long, 1 ton super-snake to be really cool.

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