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  • #46
    It's not that the Reborn did anything to the Silent Striders. Bane Mummies (which are to the Reborn what Black Spiral Dancers are to Garou) did, but that's an aside. What the mummies did to piss off the Silent Striders is to exist. Their immortality is seen as blasphemy against Gaia. Note that while they are in the top 4 enemies of the Tribe for this, they're also seen as something to confront ONLY after the vampires, mages, and the banes have been defeated. In other words, it won't be for a long time.

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    • #47
      Are the Silent Striders opposed to a specific kind or group of Mages, or is it Mages overall ? Is it dislike or is it hostility ? Are any definite reasons for their attitude / viewpoint towards Mages given or implied ?

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      • #48
        Mages overall are disliked and considered dangerous by the Garou. This comes from their tendency towards being selfish assholes that don't care about anyone or anything but themselves and are prone to taking Gaia's sacred places and using them as mere recharge stations all the while considering Gaia's laws as nuisances. Mind you, the details on individual Mages can vary depending on your storyteller and the actual experiences people have together. For instance the Striders say that the first Garou rituals may have actually been created by Mages.

        As for the Striders and mummies their hostile attitudes are mostly towards Bane Mummies. Back in time when Set and Osiris walked the Earth and the mummies were created, the law was laid down that the immortals are the least of Striders worries - what with the Wyrm, Sutekh (set) and Magicians that were breaking the order of Gaia willy nilly. Time has done its work and the few mummies that actually exist usually ended up proving themselves as having mutual goals with the Striders. The "good" mummies that fight for M'aat are actually considered allies to the Striders and even gifted them with powerful magics and amulets to use in the fight against the Wyrm. This is something that is recognized so much among the striders that any loss of such Immortal Gifts includes the loss of permanent renown! The "Other" mummies of Bennu on the other hand are a "new" thing thing that started appearing in early 80s and they were still reserving their judgement in 2001. Doubt that's changed much as The Mummies of Resurrection were rather undeveloped back in the oWoD.

        Keep in mind that these are just things in the books and should all be interpreted with an eye towards what the need of your story really are.




        What doesn't kill you, makes you... stranger.

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        • #49
          To follow up on this, the Revised Edition seemed to take pains to distance the Garou from any potential allies. In earlier editions the Silent Striders were involved in the Osirian League and counted the Undying as powerful allies. I look at Silent Striders Revised as simply another set of opinions that are different from earlier books, but no more or less valid.

          As Lord VII states, mummies are immortal and have therefore been removed from the cycle of Life and Death. This is WRONG to the Garou mindset and therefore makes them enemies (at least according to the hard-liners).

          As Asmodai (and many source books) state, Mages wield the power of Naming and no mortal should be able to do that. Again, this is WRONG to the Garou mindset and therefore makes them enemies (at least according to the hard-liners).

          The conflicting opinions given are part of the imperfect narrator style of the World of Darkness, so players and Storytellers are able to come up with what works best at their tables.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
            Are the Silent Striders opposed to a specific kind or group of Mages, or is it Mages overall ? Is it dislike or is it hostility ? Are any definite reasons for their attitude / viewpoint towards Mages given or implied ?
            Generally speaking, Garou - and most Fera - see Mages as monkeys playing with dangerous things they shouldn't be. Essentially children with handguns. Reworking reality is not really in keeping in harmony with Gaia, as least from the Garou point of view. That doesn't automatically make them "evil"; they're usually viewed as ignorant and misguided. And, obviously, some are dumber/more obnoxious than others. The Order of Hermes had a long running bad habit of swinging their wands around and taking control of nodes/caerns whenever they could get away with it. Dreamspeakers, on the other end of the spectrum, aren't as aggressively obnoxious, but are still likely to put what they see as the spiritual needs of their human community above whatever values the Garou have.

            With the Silent Striders in particular, they were familiar with various mystic cults to Thoth, Isis, Sobek and others back in the days of Egypt, but tended to see them as useful tools against the Cult of Set and other vampires (much in the way Horus and his mummies were). Relations with regional groups that eventually joined the Dreamspeakers would've been for each to keep the other at a wary arms length. The Ahl I Batin made such an effort to be invisible that the Striders probably didn't really know what to make of them when they did encounter them. Regional members of the Celestial Chorus were probably viewed as being associated with the Weaver and not an ally or enemy (though their inevitable clashes with vampires might make them useful allies of convenience from time to time). Ecstatic Dervishes would probably be a curiosity, but again not an ally or threat. The Taftini aren't an enemy, but are dangerous and best left alone.

            Generally speaking, the Silent Striders tend to take a position of "observe but don't engage" when encountering anything that isn't' a fellow Garou and doesn't seem to be a normal human, and treat such encounters as individuals rather than part of a group.


            What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
            Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
              Did Mummies do something against the Silent Striders, or do they act in a specific way that Silent Striders are opposed to, that they are considered to be enemies by them ?
              Yes. They exist. That's literally what it took, because the Silent Striders (and any conservative Garou of other Tribes that learn of them see it the same way) see this as a violation of Gaia's law, that the dead must remain dead. It doesn't matter that they don't serve the Wyrm or stink of any part of the Triat. These Garou (ie, most, and likely most of all of the other Fera, too) see this as blasphemous. The Silent Striders named them as one of the top four enemies of the Tribe, but because they do so little harm, they're last on the list after banes, mages, and vampires.

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              • #52
                Actually, It's more like the list of the problems of their old age. Immortal Beings are not what Gaia intended. However, practicalities are not that clear cut. That doesn't mean they don't work together and that they haven't been allies in fighting against the Wyrm and for M'aat. Heck, some of them even use Mummy magic and one of them even went under the procedure to become a mummy.


                What doesn't kill you, makes you... stranger.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Asmodai View Post
                  Actually, It's more like the list of the problems of their old age. Immortal Beings are not what Gaia intended. However, practicalities are not that clear cut. That doesn't mean they don't work together and that they haven't been allies in fighting against the Wyrm and for M'aat. Heck, some of them even use Mummy magic and one of them even went under the procedure to become a mummy.
                  But is that even possible?
                  I know that in some old material dead Garou ended up in the dark umbra, but I think that the official stand since Revised is that dead werewolves become ancestor spirits in their tribal homelands (in the near umbra). I don't think that the Tem-akh are able to contact dying spirits if they don't cross the Shroud.

                  Or were you talking about a different kind of mummification ritual?

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                  • #54
                    Wepauwet first appeared in Umbra: The Velvet Shadow and again in Umbra Revised. His full backstory is in Silent Strider revised. He underwent the Spell of Life after Set cursed the tribe in an effort to ensure that their history and lore wouldn't be lost. Unfortunately, after he died the first time, Owl came and told him that while it was a good try, he didn't get to come back repeatedly the way humans did. Instead, Wepauwet went to the Silent Striders' tribal homeland realm, where because of his unique nature, he's able to interact with both the tribal ancestor spirits who dwell there and the rare living Silent Striders who are able to locate the homeland (as they are unable to interact with the ancestor spirits). He basically serves as a spirit medium between the two. In addition, his knowledge of ancient rites and the concept of name magic enabled him to start linking ancestor spirits to living Silent Striders again, partially overcoming the tribe's ban on the Ancestors background. That was his status as of Revised. I've no idea what WW20 did with him, if anything.


                    What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
                    Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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