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  • The Caern and Sept, a question for veteran players and GMS of WtA

    I have a question for you all, do the werewolves of a sept of a caern actually live at its location? Do some live there? Do some not? I'm trying to figure it out and thought Id ask here about septs and caerns and how Garou are organized around them, to get a better understanding of a garous relationship with the place their Tribe defends with their life. I know there are positions like the Council of Elders and Sept Leader and Warden, but do they actually *live* in the Caerns boundaries? Or do they disperse and come back only when the caern is threatened? Any and all thoughts would be greatly appreciated, thank you!

  • #2
    At least the elder council lives there and depending on the sept area, there can be cabins or rowhouses or trailers in the bawn. Some Glass Walkers live near their sept, since space in the city is at premium. But for rural septs, they usually have -some- living spaces.


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    • #3
      So the idea is that the younger Garou spend their time away from the Caern, doing missions and such, coming back and so forth every once in awhile, while the odler Garou (those who have survived long enough to make it to that age) usually settles into the bawn to run the affairs of sept? What about caerns in the really "wild" places? (like national parks and such) Would the living spaces be like campgrounds for Homid garou? (I figure Lupus dont often spend time inside living spaces and dont mind living otuside in the wild). Also thank you so much for the rpely! Its just been bothering me for awhile.

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      • #4
        Keep in mind that the Sept will have a Protectorate that's usually significantly larger than the Bawn proper.

        Pretty much the whole Sept will live within the Protectorate, including most of the kinfolk, even if living spaces on the Bawn is limited and those goes to the older and higher Rank Garou (and generally more powerful thus most needed to be in vital places for defense).

        The game certainly encourage the idea that the younger Garou are spending more time away doing missions, because that's the PCs doing more than guard duty and things like that. However a significant amount of time for most Garou will still be at the Bawn. Even the younger ones that do more adventuring will want to come back for the tutoring, resources, and etc. that the more established Garou have to offer in reward for success out in the field.

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        • #5
          So generally even a wilder caern would say have places nearby, or within its bawn where Garou can find rest and respite from their travels (unless say its Red talons , which have no homid members)

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          • #6
            Well, the nature of the Protectorate is vague enough that it's hard to generalize too much. A Red Talon wilderness one will avoid including any human settlements, but will probably be large enough to have lots of good spots for Garou to use as dens in the natural environment around the Bawn. They'll want enough space that normal and kin wolf packs have their own territory to hunt in, as well as their packs to have hunting grounds as well. A more diverse one will probably have the Protectorate cover human rural settlements that Garou and kin can live in if they're not keen on sleeping out in the wilderness. They might even build structures on the Bawn itself, but remember that the spiritual essence of the Caern the Sept is built around will take precedence over personal comfort.

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            • #7
              The caern is supposed to function like a temple, and obviously not everyone who worships there lives there. There will be some Garou who do - usually members of the sept leadership especially those tasked with defense of the caern. And living nearby would be any Garou who have been appointed Guardians who would need to appear quickly in case an alarm was raised.

              But many Garou - in increasing percentage the larger the caern rank is - would not live in the caern. They might live anywhere in the Protectorate.

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              • #8
                I imagine even the Red Talons have something. It may not match much of what we think of on a human level but wolves use shelter.

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                • #9
                  OK, it feels like it's worth noting a bit of the "geography" of Septs here:

                  The spiritual center of the Sept is the Caern. The Caern itself is generally fairly small in terms of real world area. As such almost no werewolves would live in the Caern itself. It's too small and too busy; especially the "Heart" of the Caern where the actually bond between the physical and spiritual Realms is.

                  Around the Caern is the Bawn. The Bawn is the land immediately around the Caern and is generally the limits of the spiritual influence of the Caern (ex: a Caern Rite might use the Bawn as it's area of effect). The Bawn is heavily protected and guarded. Anyone stepping onto the Bawn without permission is generally not tolerated. The Bawn is where the Sept's leadership would live, and where most Sept business takes place. In populous Septs that have a large physical area, the Bawn might be divided into the Inner and Outer Bawns, An Outer Bawn is generally going to mean the Sept has the resources to house more packs and such.

                  Maybe, the Sept claims a Protectorate beyond the limits of the Bawn that's a larger geographical area the Sept patrols. Though in some places multiple Septs might share a Protectorate (Silver Fangs are the most likely to do this as their Houses will band together to claim large amounts of territory as a single House Protectorate).

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                  • #10
                    Depends on the size of the Caern/Sept and its brawn etc. A smaller Caern might have space for the Sept Officers that have to be there and maybe a guardian pack but nothing more where as a major Caern (Albrechts for example) has multiple acres of land, residences and so forth.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RyuDraconis View Post
                      So the idea is that the younger Garou spend their time away from the Caern, doing missions and such, coming back and so forth every once in awhile, while the odler Garou (those who have survived long enough to make it to that age) usually settles into the bawn to run the affairs of sept?
                      There is a wide variety of what packs who belong to a sept will actually do at the caern.

                      The Garou who make up the sept elders probably live at or very near the caern and most of their work is probably providing leadership for the sept instead of going out an doing things elsewhere in the protectorate. Such Garou have probably earned a lot of Glory and Wisdom, and are now needing to earn Honor in order to continue to rise in rank.

                      Then you have Guardians who assist in protecting the caern. While there may be an actual pack of Guardians at larger septs, probably in most septs who are the Guardians during any period of time will change as a responsibility. That way the sept always has some Garou on hand to protect the caern, but after a period of time they can go back doing whatever it is that they want to do.

                      Then you have packs of Anruth who wander from sept to sept, doing various deeds at the behest of each sept's leadership. Anruth do this to learn about the greater Nation and gain experience from the various quests. They'll stay at one sept for a while and then move on to another.

                      Then you have local packs who stay in the protectorate. They will do quests for the sept elders as well, but probably have their own pack quests that they work on.

                      So there is much variety in terms of what Garou do or contribute at the caern.

                      Originally posted by RyuDraconis View Post
                      What about caerns in the really "wild" places? (like national parks and such) Would the living spaces be like campgrounds for Homid garou? (I figure Lupus dont often spend time inside living spaces and dont mind living otuside in the wild). Also thank you so much for the rpely! Its just been bothering me for awhile.
                      The living accommodations at each caern will vary greatly depending on a variety of factors. At a wilderness sept, it may be that every Garou is expected to survive like a wolf out in the wild. Or that there are some rustic cabins nearby. Or that they live in caves, or in movable shelters like tents or tipis. It really depends on the specifics of the caern.

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                      • #12
                        Ok, so movable shelters for wilderness based Caerns, esp if there's a heavy based Homid population of garou (since I figure not all of the Tribes live like native peoples out in the wild places and the book makes it clear that Homids are quickly becoming the dominant type of Garou due to declining wolf stock in certain areas) and for the more lupine population they often have to fend for themselves, or the bawn of the caern will and might have some sort of shelters. Its not a far stretch to say that some Garou live in a small community nearby right? I figured as Garou were coming and going the idea is that they will want to always have a garou presence in the area, even if not in the Caern proper. Do Elders often live in the bawn or around where the Caern has its heart? Or do they live within areas where they could easily access the caern in case it ever comes under attack? (I'm not sure how often caerns come under attack too, since many are hidden away, and even the Glass walkers modern caerns are hidden in "plain sight" )

                        When I often imagine caerns, esp the mroe wild ones I kind of always figure there will be some sort of accommodation for Homids, unless its wolf dominated sept, although again the onlytribe that has 0 homids is Red Talons, so their caerns are always going to be wild and like an actual wolf packs territory like how wolves live in our world of today.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RyuDraconis View Post
                          Do Elders often live in the bawn or around where the Caern has its heart? Or do they live within areas where they could easily access the caern in case it ever comes under attack?
                          These are all kinda redundant. The Bawn (or in a larger Sept the Inner Bawn) is the area around where the Caern and its Heart are. The Bawn is an area where they could easily access the Cearn in case of attack.

                          It might help to think about the real world word bawn. A bawn is a defensive fortification (and thus the area it encases) that provides a first layer of defense before attackers can reach the tower within. This wall/tower design is a kind of early castle before the area inside the bawn walls started including more permanent structures than the tower of local person of power that built/inherited/captured the thing. When under attack, the relatively open space inside the boundaries of the bawn would be temporarily filled with people seeking shelter as well as armed forces fending off attackers to keep the tower from being besieged (these weren't very large towers, so they rarely could withstand a prolonged one).

                          Septs are conceptualized in a similar idea (which predates bawn/tower fortifications significantly anyway, but it fits the idea that the Fianna are largely responsible for the common lexicon of the Garou Nation). The Sept's Bawn is the primary defensive line around the Caern to avoid it coming under direct attack.

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