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  • How do you play lupus galliards?

    I have my own concept, but aside from critique on my concept, I'm honestly curious as to how others might do it (especially if you have a Red Talon galliard). I've read before that it's a difficult concept due to what is essentially a kinda-sentient animal being taken away from the wilds and made to learn history and the art of expressing that history. But because I was wanting a challenge, I decided to do just that.

    So this character of mine is a lupus galliard of the Fianna tribe who, alongside with her best friend, is usually sent to places where the Wyld is still strong in order to observe, help eliminate a threat, and sometimes retrieve an artifact or an individual. In any given group, she's the beta to her friend's alpha and usually "The Heart". It may come as a surprise due to her blunt and seemingly-guileless attitude, but she's a dedicated singer and dancer who aims to keep those around her motivated and focused on the task at hand. On the downside, since she believes that songs about good things automatically equal good feelings, she's at a loss when it fails to do what she intended. A large part of her galliard training was reading her audience (which she's better at when it comes to wolves and lupus Garou), but she still has a ways to go.

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    Checkout The Wolves of Time books by William Horwood as it's great inspiration.
    A Lupus Galliard should probably focus more on the emotive aspects of tale and song in stead of perhaps the factual. Perhaps even working through an oblique form of allegory like in that episode of Enterprise. Where as the Homid Galliards tales may teach direct lessons through the information they impart so should a Lupus lift enigmas by employing senses and sense response as part of their tale craft instead.

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    • #3
      I actually never thought of it that way before. Perhaps more "Tears ran down down his blood-stained face as he howled with the rage of a thousand warriors" and less "Moral of the story; Torture the loved ones of a feared warrior at your own peril"?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sunlit Night View Post
        I have my own concept, but aside from critique on my concept, I'm honestly curious as to how others might do it (especially if you have a Red Talon galliard). I've read before that it's a difficult concept due to what is essentially a kinda-sentient animal being taken away from the wilds and made to learn history and the art of expressing that history. But because I was wanting a challenge, I decided to do just that.
        Don't get caught up with now-meaningless designations like "sentient". Human awareness, in all likelihood, isn't something that just sprang up ex nihilo. You can use it with some thought experiments to produce a reasonable enough facsimile of a monster born into wolves that also has a human living space. You'll need to keep in mind how the senses of the wolf differ and center experience around them to a greater degree, such as telling time by the strength of a scent or by how sunlight and starlight are angled. Much as with humans before clocks, reckoning of time will be a more general thing, but don't trust any source that claims that other animals "live in the now" or otherwise don't recall past occurrences.

        So this character of mine is a lupus galliard of the Fianna tribe who, alongside with her best friend, is usually sent to places where the Wyld is still strong in order to observe, help eliminate a threat, and sometimes retrieve an artifact or an individual. In any given group, she's the beta to her friend's alpha and usually "The Heart".
        As a lupus character, the structure of this not-pack that calls itself a pack is likely going to chafe, just saying.

        It may come as a surprise due to her blunt and seemingly-guileless attitude, but she's a dedicated singer and dancer who aims to keep those around her motivated and focused on the task at hand. On the downside, since she believes that songs about good things automatically equal good feelings, she's at a loss when it fails to do what she intended. A large part of her galliard training was reading her audience (which she's better at when it comes to wolves and lupus Garou), but she still has a ways to go.
        The character won't just be better at reading wolves and lupus Garou, but better at body language in general and gauging others by it. This is what was a stronger indicator for the character during their earlier life, and they'll have relied on it heavily before language came into play in life for them.

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        • #5
          Lupus galliards fill the same role as homid or metis galliards. Galliard functions are geared towards Garou society, not human society.

          They are there to preserve the oral history and heritage of the Garou. They are there to be inspiring warrior poets for their pack and sept. They are important ritualists who preside over the Rites of Death and Renown to cement the Garou as a community. They use their social skills to act as diplomats to preserve peace, provoke war, find alliances, make friends, and pacify enemies. Their auspice Gifts point to a role as someone who communicates to others on behalf of the Garou - they can talk to animals, enter into people's dreams, create fear around them, and use the power of words to create effects. Above all, they understand the power of language - whether it is human, body movement, wolf howls, or anything else.

          Homid Galliards often think of a human society concept first and then find a role within Garou society. I think metis and lupus primarily concentrate on their Garou roles. Metis don't have a different society that they know, and lupus have limited outlets for expression since animals don't have a culture.

          Lupus galliards would likely emphasize the aspects of Garou culture that are influence by their wolf half. Their "art" would be in the nature of howls - the various Garou Howls and wolfsongs. Their "dances" would be wolf play. If they had any kind of performance art, I imagine one aspect of it might be highly stylized, but evocative set pieces that require existing lore to understand - similar to the culture of the Tamarians in the Star Trek: Next Generation episode Darmok. They'd use of the sense of smell, scents, and creating olfactory art for their artistic expression. Instead of creating permanent works of art, their artworks might be meant to be only temporary that can be appreciated for a short time. But all their artistic expression would be geared towards Garou since wolves couldn't appreciate most of it (there might be a few things they could, like wolfsong).

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

            As a lupus character, the structure of this not-pack that calls itself a pack is likely going to chafe, just saying.
            Could you elaborate please? I understand that just two folks don't really make a pack and I plan on adding more, but I'd like to make certain we're on the same page.

            Originally posted by Black Fox View Post
            Lupus galliards fill the same role as homid or metis galliards. Galliard functions are geared towards Garou society, not human society.
            They'd use of the sense of smell, scents, and creating olfactory art for their artistic expression.
            ​How would you go about making olfactory art?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sunlit Night View Post
              Could you elaborate please? I understand that just two folks don't really make a pack and I plan on adding more, but I'd like to make certain we're on the same page.
              It's the Wolf Packs Are Actually Families issue. Garou packs don't typically share this exact relationship unless they're breaking the Litany.

              ​How would you go about making olfactory art?
              Well, aside from cooking, it could just be a matter of burning or otherwise releasing scents into the air, such as by carrying around leaves and other objects that might bare them.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                It's the Wolf Packs Are Actually Families issue. Garou packs don't typically share this exact relationship unless they're breaking the Litany.
                I see. In this short story I'm planning, my intention is to have this close pair of folks who eventually are joined by a few other folks for the sake of a common goal. Sorta like Mal and Zoe from Firefly without either of them being married right off the bat.
                Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post
                Well, aside from cooking, it could just be a matter of burning or otherwise releasing scents into the air, such as by carrying around leaves and other objects that might bare them.
                Oooh, I see now, thanks.

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                • #9
                  In the current Werewolf game I'm in, I'm playing a Lupus Fianna Galliard. He writes. Maybe I will upload the "epic" here. I've played him like he doesn't understand some human concepts but he has a grasp of the english language. So he decided to start writing. I didn't do the broken english thing that some people do. But the words he uses tend to be more simple on a regular basis.

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                  • #10
                    There is no need for your lupus character to fit the stereotypes. Unless she has barely one dot in intelligence, she's not going to have any kind of verbal handicap. Remember that by age 5 or 6, she'll have been a Garou for longer than she was merely a wolf. Think about how effortlessly mere dogs can read human emotions, and compare that with a wolf given sentience, and then compare that with a wolf given sentience plus a homid form to speak human language fluently. She's not just a wolf in human clothing, because as a garou, she really is part human, in both body and spirit, whether she wants to admit that or not.

                    All this is to say don't feel like you should give her any kind of social or emotional handicap just because she's lupus born. Unless she's very young or she's a dim bulb (less than two dots of key mental attributes), she'll have the tools to communicate effectively to her fellow garou. As a galliard, I'd hope she at least has some charisma to back up her efforts. Remember also that, although her audience may be mostly homids, they're still garou with a half-lupine soul themselves. From her perspective, the homid garou she's among won't be as clueless as your typical human would be. If the homids do struggle to "smell what she's cooking," it can be a teaching moment for them as much as for her.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Wilson View Post
                      There is no need for your lupus character to fit the stereotypes. Unless she has barely one dot in intelligence, she's not going to have any kind of verbal handicap. Remember that by age 5 or 6, she'll have been a Garou for longer than she was merely a wolf. Think about how effortlessly mere dogs can read human emotions, and compare that with a wolf given sentience, and then compare that with a wolf given sentience plus a homid form to speak human language fluently. She's not just a wolf in human clothing, because as a garou, she really is part human, in both body and spirit, whether she wants to admit that or not.
                      First off, not the best attitude to approach the game. Second off, domestic dogs have been selected over many generations to pay attention to human behavioral cues. Wolves will often discount them, because why does it even matter what an overly-large naked and tailless rat is barking? It's prey.

                      (Wolves do tend to be better at reading each other than dogs are at reading other dogs. There's a side effect to being so attentive to humans.)

                      All this is to say don't feel like you should give her any kind of social or emotional handicap just because she's lupus born. Unless she's very young or she's a dim bulb (less than two dots of key mental attributes), she'll have the tools to communicate effectively to her fellow garou. As a galliard, I'd hope she at least has some charisma to back up her efforts. Remember also that, although her audience may be mostly homids, they're still garou with a half-lupine soul themselves. From her perspective, the homid garou she's among won't be as clueless as your typical human would be. If the homids do struggle to "smell what she's cooking," it can be a teaching moment for them as much as for her.
                      Communication in a mechanical sense is just as heavily rooted in Expression and other Abilities. In fact, Expression even sets up a vague scale of articulation in each dot's flavor text.

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