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  • #16
    OMG, this blog has really jumped out at me today.

    First I am with Black Fox, World of Darkness was very welcoming to new freelance writers and I loved this game because they expected the content of their customers! so if there is a whole in "Logic" for what animals "should be" Werebeast or "Where" they should be. I say do it make a story or chronical in that area get some players and run the Dingo tribes of Australia, Boar of the Bayau - Gondr of the Mississippi Delta, or Red Barons the Foxes of Europe.

    I know for Hengeyokai book (page 149) Brings up Fox kin being many places. I was thinking of running some games and making a Submission about Foxes of the world! Come up with tribes and sects.

    It is my thoughts that White Wolf didn't "Do it wrong", The opened a door for personal creativity and that is why we have all these people here

    I was working a Noah's Ark project for a few years looking for different shifters and books and supporting data!

    Thank you for new inspiration!


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    • #17
      Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

      Revised (and W20, presumably before KABA) had DNA hitting their heads against a brick wall because they couldn't explain how anything about the Garou worked, and their theoretical framework for trying was a nightmarish doorstopper's doorstopper of notebooks awash in caffeine and delusion. This could have been further driven home, to be sure (keeping them from even identifying Kinfolk through gene markers), but we seem to have been forced back to square one because of ParaWolf.
      Yeah the Parawolf and the other Pentex created werebeasts made me want to hit my head against the wall in regards to this.
      Last edited by Onkwe; 02-04-2018, 11:34 AM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Onkwe View Post

        Yeah the Parawolf and the other Pentex created werebeasts made me want to hit my head against the wall in regards to this.

        I believe by "ParaWolf", Saur Ops Specialist was referring to Paradox/White Wolf.

        The Mockeries only work because they're actually using Wyrm magic, it's not actual genetic science, which is why D.N.A. wasn't able to do anything with the same data.


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        • #19
          I have no problem with there being some kind of genetic component to Garou. After all, while they may be part spirit, their kinfolk aren't. Yet mating with kinfolk leads to different results than mating with humans. That there is some kind of special biology distinguishing them seems to be OK. However, the genetic component alone should be useless without the spiritual component which is what provides all the actual powers to the Garou. (And it may even be possible that monkeying around with that biology somehow taints the person and blocks the spiritual component from doing its thing).

          And I also don't mind that researching whatever this biological component is might lead to certain benefits. In my chronicles, DNA has created various treatments for very rare genetic diseases as a result of their research into lycanthropes. It hasn't allowed them to create superpowers though. They are treading onto forbidden ground though, and it is entirely possible their research could lead to something very bad happening. But if it does, it'll fall into the realm of science horror that obeys the laws of physics rather than supernatural horror which ignores them.

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          • #20
            I think the mockery breeds are some of the coolest things ever, and I've always wanted my very own warwolf playing as the other splats. The cockroaches only really work in a horror type deal, there are so many more effective creatures for an assassin type breed, whilst the rhino's more of a deadly joke that's somehow more stupid than the rokea (whom I love) but the frogs will some day be a success. They WILL BE A SUCCESS. Freakfeet, whilst a failure from the point of view that they couldn't be controlled, are a fantastic distraction for pentex, but the mockery breed... They can only get better.

            I mean a frog is a poor choice for seawater, what were they thinking, but that's workable.


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            • #21
              I’ve decided at my own table, Eterent, a Pentex agribusiness at the forefront of deforestation of the Amazon, has pulled off the ultimate perversion in the eyes of the Fera: they’ve bred Mockeries of the Apis and Grondr on their ranches and pig farms.
              Last edited by glamourweaver; 02-04-2018, 11:41 PM.


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              • #22
                I don't care for the Mockery breeds. It goes against the Wyrm's nature and theme of being a corrupter and destroyer of things that already exist. Creating new things violates this IMO. I'm also not a fan of a lot of pseudo-science explanation for stuff anymore. It also leads to those awkward questions of why the Garou can't breed with dogs or coyotes, etc.

                Each to their own though.
                Last edited by Onkwe; 02-04-2018, 10:22 PM.

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                • #23
                  Apis and Grondr became extinct before they spread their culture across all of humanity, though I have issues about Camazotz being wiped out so late...

                  And I like to have Kitsune have started to spread out to foreign foxes, like Ajaba started their diaspora.


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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                    Anime? No, OA, as in the AD&D book. The creators of the WoD are rpg players from an older generation, and that was what a lot of them got into the hobby playing. This is also why some stuff from D&D got carried over without much questioning, like the presentation of Tou Mu, or the completely fabricated demon archer (the fact that it's made up is not nearly so bad as the fact that it was made up by someone else and suggests that, much like in the works of the webcomic creator Krazy Krow, D&D books of early vintage are genuine occult texts)..
                    Who or what is the demon archer that you mentioned? Where can I read about it?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Onkwe View Post
                      I'd just have the Bunyip mate with Dingoes. Solves the problem.
                      Unfortunately it doesn’t solve any problem. The Bunyip tribe would have been long extinct for thousands of years before the dingo even showed up.

                      I’ve no doubt that the original Werewolf writers included the Bunyip/Thylacine thing simply because they saw these things that were sometimes called wolves and decided ‘this would be cool’. We tried to reconcile that it did exist with why it did so in Shattered Dreams, but you know...


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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Bunyip View Post

                        Unfortunately it doesn’t solve any problem. The Bunyip tribe would have been long extinct for thousands of years before the dingo even showed up.

                        I’ve no doubt that the original Werewolf writers included the Bunyip/Thylacine thing simply because they saw these things that were sometimes called wolves and decided ‘this would be cool’. We tried to reconcile that it did exist with why it did so in Shattered Dreams, but you know...

                        I've always been confused about the tribe wolf blood thing, especially in light of how its an issue for the Hakken who may have lost their Wolf stock as recently as last century but never was a issue for the Fianna where it looks like the last wolf in the British isles was in the 16th century.

                        and a Lupus focused contingent forcing their way into new lands and breeding with the previously unused human stock would sort of neatly match up with the history of the Dingo's introduction to Australia.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Muad'Dib View Post
                          Who or what is the demon archer that you mentioned? Where can I read about it?
                          Chih-chiang Fyu-ya, who exists in AD&D 1e (see Deities and Demigods p 38), KotE (main book p 213), and nowhere in Chinese folklore that's turned up over the past few years that I've been looking.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Bunyip View Post

                            Unfortunately it doesn’t solve any problem. The Bunyip tribe would have been long extinct for thousands of years before the dingo even showed up.

                            I’ve no doubt that the original Werewolf writers included the Bunyip/Thylacine thing simply because they saw these things that were sometimes called wolves and decided ‘this would be cool’. We tried to reconcile that it did exist with why it did so in Shattered Dreams, but you know...

                            The Dingo could have arrived to Australia anywhere between 3,500 to 12,000 years ago. Going at the higher end of that range would coincide with the Bunyip's arrival to Australia.

                            Originally posted by Lian View Post


                            I've always been confused about the tribe wolf blood thing, especially in light of how its an issue for the Hakken who may have lost their Wolf stock as recently as last century but never was a issue for the Fianna where it looks like the last wolf in the British isles was in the 16th century.
                            You could expand the Hakken's kin range to the mainland where there are plenty of wolves still. As for the Fianna, there traditional range was also in mainland Europe. Most of their Lupus could also come from areas the tribe immigrated to.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Onkwe View Post
                              You could expand the Hakken's kin range to the mainland where there are plenty of wolves still. As for the Fianna, there traditional range was also in mainland Europe. Most of their Lupus could also come from areas the tribe immigrated to.
                              Well w20 canonized wolf Cryptids in Japan, which makes a certain amount of sense to me. I mean in a world with changing breeds the various Cryptid Anomolous animals(big cats, wolves still alive in Japan, Thylacines etc) existing because hey a magical human intelligent level version is keeping them protected makes sense.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Lian View Post

                                Well w20 canonized wolf Cryptids in Japan, which makes a certain amount of sense to me. I mean in a world with changing breeds the various Cryptid Anomolous animals(big cats, wolves still alive in Japan, Thylacines etc) existing because hey a magical human intelligent level version is keeping them protected makes sense.
                                Also, from the onset, the WoD wasn't exactly like the real world in demographics. The description laid out that there were fewer small towns and a great deal of untouched wilderness still about to provide the spooky gothic atmosphere. However, the spooky gothic atmosphere is coincidentally also a great place to hide a lot of wild animals that went extinct in real life.

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