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    Can dominate or other forms of mind control affect a weaver drone with zero autonomy?

  • #2
    There are no actual characters without Autonomy. At the moment a character loses the last points and hits 0, they become a Triatic spirit indistinguishable from any other bane or Weaver-spirit.

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    • #3
      Can such a spirit be controlled? What about an autonomy 1?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Pnizzle View Post
        Can such a spirit be controlled? What about an autonomy 1?
        RAW limits Willpower by Autonomy, but I can't see the OneSong giving up control of one of its extensions to a spiritual void that has something it wants to remove inside, whether it's in the flesh or not. In this instance, there's probably no possibility of exercising control for a vampire with standard game stats.

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        • #5
          That's odd since by that RAW a powerful drone or fomori could be thrilled by a fledgling.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Pnizzle View Post
            That's odd since by that RAW a powerful drone or fomori could be thrilled by a fledgling.


            Could you perhaps clarify your meaning?

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            • #7
              Oops. Autocorrect. Meant enthralled.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pnizzle View Post
                Can such a spirit be controlled? What about an autonomy 1?

                Isn't that was Spirit manipulation is for?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Pnizzle View Post
                  Oops. Autocorrect. Meant enthralled.
                  Drones are kind of already answered for to a large extent. And they're also hooked up to a hive mind. So I still don't see it as something that goes with the story, for drones of any Autonomy.

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                  • #10
                    Gonna go with yes, but the new nature/demeanour/ attitutes of the drone will dictate the difficulty and successess needed, rather than the individual underneath. Drones are great at taking orders that's their job, so I don't think it'll be too hard considering the metaphysics of why dominate works. You don't dominate the spirit (and presence works, it's quite explicit) but the entity'd become a passenger in order for the dominate logic to be completed. By the same note, memory change wouldn't affect the spirit parts, enslavement'd probably have quirks as the spirit tells the dude what to do on it's own while the individual comes increasingly compliant. possession'd probably be a battle.


                    Be correct.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PewPew View Post
                      Gonna go with yes, but the new nature/demeanour/ attitutes of the drone will dictate the difficulty and successess needed, rather than the individual underneath. Drones are great at taking orders that's their job, so I don't think it'll be too hard considering the metaphysics of why dominate works. You don't dominate the spirit (and presence works, it's quite explicit) but the entity'd become a passenger in order for the dominate logic to be completed. By the same note, memory change wouldn't affect the spirit parts, enslavement'd probably have quirks as the spirit tells the dude what to do on it's own while the individual comes increasingly compliant. possession'd probably be a battle.
                      They're great at taking orders... from the OneSong. Vampires are not authorized to give commands to drones, so the connection to OneSong will resist uses of Dominate as a matter of course.

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                      • #12
                        Vampires have powers for explicitly commanding spirits.

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                        • #13
                          So necromancy would work but not dominate....?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Pnizzle View Post
                            So necromancy would work but not dominate....?
                            Probably the Spirit Manipulation Thaumaturgy path. Necromancy is for dead things.

                            We are certainly in crossover territory here, though, so... it depends on expectations and how you want to present the world. Rules take a back seat here, because what you are really doing is defining how your setting works cosmologically. If we are talking about a Vampire game featuring drones, go bonkers with discipline use. It would be lame for a vampire to be unable to have their cool powers work because some ill-defined spirit network says they don't.

                            If this is primarily a WtA game, having a fledgling vampire mind-fuck a drone into subservience really does injustice to the strength and power of the ascendant Weaver. Mother Spider is not going to relinquish her grasping control of her precious minions. This is where Saur is coming from, and I would take this approach also in my own werewolf game. Not to 'beef up' the drone, but to send the message that the Weaver isn't something that can be easily trifled with.
                            Last edited by The Laughing Stranger; 02-17-2018, 04:00 PM.

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                            • #15
                              hmmm, quite a conundrum. dominate on one hand would fall onto the hosts willpower. but whats the effective willpower if using spirit manipulation thaumaturgy? 10? 10 minus autonomy?

                              forgetful mind could work on the host maybe. some mesmerizes or commands could work if they align with the drone's programming. obviously conditioning and possession auto fail.

                              for my setting, drones should be mentally scary. using telepathy on them could either get the host, or the entity, and hearing the entites thoughts could get you listening to the one song which has bad consequences. entrancement or the weaver taking notice of you listening in.

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