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  • Boneguard
    started a topic Fanon - Tribebook Bunyip (WIP)

    Fanon - Tribebook Bunyip (WIP)

    I know there has been talk of an official Tribebook in the "work" similar to the White Howler one...but could have been just rumors too. But regardless, I've been working on and off on an idea for a proto-Bunyip origin.

    In short, the origin of the tribe was in what Is today's China. They had a different name, and had the Tibetan wolf as kinfolk. External pressure from other tribes and Fera and the War of Shame got them to secretly move South to that Sundaland, using both Southeast Asian dog and, less successfully, dholes (Asian Wild Dog) as a substitute to their wolf kin. From there they eventually made it to Sahul to aborigines and dog kinfolk. Eventually, they moved on to the Thylacine becoming the Bunyip tribe.

    So there it is roughly 3 broad phase in their history: a "Chinese" tribe (name TBD), a Southeast Asian secret tribe with none-wolf kinfolk, and "modern" Bunyip as rediscovered by the Garou in Australia. This would make howling dog, dingo, other Southeast Asian dogs (wild and domesticated) as well as Southeast Asia dholes and Tibetan wolf (especially in the Qinghai Province) Bunyip kinfolks.

    it's still rough, but I'll try to polish this once I complete my Vampire bloodline

    Thoughts? Comments?

  • Boneguard
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    Originally posted by Lian View Post
    Pick and choose the best pieces for your work. Shattered Dreams definately changes afew things and the White Howler book changed things around as well.
    I never thought of the White Howler tribebook, but good point. My intention ae to go over the relevantsource, grab what I need and adjust it as needed to fit the view I have.

    And probably add a fair dash of : "History is written by the winners." to the mix.

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  • Lian
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    Pick and choose the best pieces for your work. Shattered Dreams definately changes afew things and the White Howler book changed things around as well.

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  • Bunyip
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    I wouldn’t suggest putting too much stock in Rage Across Australia. It’s not a shining point of werewolf (or Australia) material.

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  • Boneguard
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    Originally posted by Magus View Post
    In Rage Across the Wordl (W20), there are a group of werewolves in New Guinea with the New Guinea singing dog as their Kinfolk. Their "tribal" totem is Bird of Paradise. Perhaps they are survivors of the original Bunyip tribe.
    The plan is to tie them in. Probably as an offshoot similar to the Hakken rather than the Siberakh, but I'll see how it will turn out. But Rage across the World, Shattered Dreams and Rage across Australia will be "must read" material.

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  • Magus
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    In Rage Across the Wordl (W20), there are a group of werewolves in New Guinea with the New Guinea singing dog as their Kinfolk. Their "tribal" totem is Bird of Paradise. Perhaps they are survivors of the original Bunyip tribe.

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  • Boneguard
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    Here is a rough draft of the Patron Totem Spirit for these early Denosivan/Wolf Changer protobunyip.

    Known by many names across the land, wild man is the Spirit of the elusive Man-Ape Cryptid of legends. Although many sightings have been reported, none were ever discovered. Wild man could be anywhere, discreetly observing, taking notes of his surrounding and using this knowledge to adapt and survive to any condition. He expect his Children to be of similar temperment.

    Wild man
    • Type: ? Unsure between Wisdom and Cunning
    • Totem Background Cost: ?? traits
    • Description: Wild man is a secretive and elusive spirit, that is rarely seens, but aware of a lot.
    • Benefits: You gain the abilities Stealth x3 and Survival x3. (? I'm also debating with potential bonus in Enigma, Subterfuge and stepping sideway)
    • Drawback: ?? probably none
    • Ban: A Garou who follows Wild man, must show great discretion and never reveal themselve (or reveal any known secret) unduly.

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  • Boneguard
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    @Lian

    Interesting idea. Could explain the migration of the Denisovan

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  • Lian
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    If we are using the shattered Dreams timeline, much of the war of rage hadn't really happened by the time the Bunyip had broken off with the rest of the Garou, generally the rest of the Breed were in the Levant and Northern Africa at this time, with some having pushed into Europe to take Neandtheral mixes. They hadn't broken with the other breeds yet though mixed changing breed caerns had become rarer at this time.

    The Rainbow Serpent is intimately tied to Australia in ways no other Tribal totem is, its rather unique like this the only other one that comes close is Wendigo. Perhaps the call of the Rainbow Serpent might be a better driving point for the Bunyip, the Garou could still see them as traitors to "the one tribe" at first and over time it gets handed down in different ways. As they were seen as traitors this would have been a rather violent break.

    Then instead of having a single protobunyip they could be from various areas as they heard the call of the Dreamsong to protect Australia.

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  • Boneguard
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    After a bit of thought, I may have something.

    so early in Garou History, a pack of Denisovan/wolf changer split up from the core group heading east for (Reason TBD). The bulk of them went SE and made it to Australia, after a brief period in Indonesia where a few remained: they took on the Thylacine as kin and became the Bunyip. Another group headed NE to settle in a range near Russian, China, Mongolia and took the Tibetan and Mongolian wolf as kin. Those Denisovan/wolf changer left in Asia and Southeast Asia allied with the local Fera (a kind of proto- or early Beast Court alliance).

    The War of Rage comes and this Garou tribe fought alongside the Fera, causing the ire of the Garou who labelled them as traitor and after the War hunted them down, but could not dedicate themselves to it as completely as they wanted, allowing them to hide in the Indonesia/PhilPhilippines area. (Eventually a group of Shadowlord horrified by what had happen joined the Beast Court to fill the role the "lost" tribe once held as a form of penance be coming the Hakken). Some eventually moved on to Australia were they filled up the rank of their distant kin (I might add in a few more recent arrival with Dingo stock that would have coexist with their non canid cousins).

    the Garou eventually arrives and finding the traitors goes on a rampage destroying both them and the Bunyip who were defending their kin. Garou comes up with a half-baked excuse and ignore a few historical facts to justify their action and take advantage of the dingo kinfolk to avoid losing the wolf.

    It's not perfect, but it allows for a better blend of Garou Lore and historical migratory accuracy. It also provide a better reason for the conflict between the 2 Garou factions in the War of Rage
    Last edited by Boneguard; 03-14-2018, 06:05 PM.

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  • Boneguard
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    Originally posted by Lian View Post
    Perhaps the early Denesovian/Wolf changer from Northern Asia pushed SE during the banestorm as that's the place to "Fight the wyrm" this might even explain in modern times why Oceanic peoples have the highest admixture with Denesovians.
    That could work and I could either:
    • keep most of the element from post #16 but have the migration happen much earlier the officially stated;
    • Make the Bunyip it own specie (or a much earlier offshoot of the Garou) and have a "new" Garou tribe flee the War of Rage and populate the indonasian/New-guinea area, with some moving to Australia and cohabitate with the Bunyip. The War of Tears occurs because the Bunyip protected that tribe that were also descendant of the Denesovian men against the Garou who eventually destroyed both.
    going to have to sleep on it today.

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  • Lian
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    Originally posted by Boneguard View Post
    @Lien

    I see what you mean. Man were in Indonesia/Australia about 50k to 60k years ago (versus 5k for dingo) and Northern Asia more around 25k to 35k years ago.

    Might indeed need a bit of tweaking.

    Perhaps the early Denesovian/Wolf changer from Northern Asia pushed SE during the banestorm as that's the place to "Fight the wyrm" this might even explain in modern times why Oceanic peoples have the highest admixture with Denesovians.

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  • Boneguard
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    @Lian

    I see what you mean. Man were in Indonesia/Australia about 50k to 60k years ago (versus 5k for dingo) and Northern Asia more around 25k to 35k years ago.

    Might indeed need a bit of tweaking.
    Last edited by Boneguard; 03-14-2018, 03:24 AM.

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  • Lian
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    Boneguard, I think you are are creating a problem to solve with the Protobunyip. Modern Humans (and presumably the Bunyip) were in Australia relatively early. Within 2000 years give or take of the Banestorm/Toma explosion. Modern humans would later head north into what we consider asia proper. Your protoBunyip would have to have archaic humankin for this to work... so they both overtime would have shed both of their initial kintypes?

    On the otherhand Native Australian and Melanesian people IRL have denosovian admixture vs Neanderthal of other ethnic groups, while the majority of Fera focused on the Neanderthal intially until the Ananasi decided to "solve' them. so maybe thee's somthing to work from there.

    Finally it seems that as time has moved on and our understanding of Modern human migration increased irl for the Bunyip to be in Australia does seem to push them back before much of the war of rage(at least as of Shattered Dreams), it definately pushes them preimperigum possibly even before the Garou hit Europe proper. They seem to have in some fashion been the "First" break away from the One Tribe. Or at least the first one that has survived. Perhaps you could use that?

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  • Bunyip
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    Originally posted by The Cat Came Back View Post
    And then cue a century and a half of the Western Garou trying to figure out how Garou could have ever been marsupials. Were they "real" garou? Were they just a remarkably similar fera breed in the form of Nuwisha or Ajaba? Who know, they're dead now.
    To complicate the questions further, I’d make Bunyip (human) kinfolk completely compatible with werewolves (which Fera kinfolk aren’t). Yes, the Bunyip were Garou, yes this means the Garou were kinslayers. No, Gaia isn’t happy, which is part of the reason why the Australian Umbra is now so hostile to Garou.

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