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  • Do my Garou Gifts List, Changing Breed Gifts List and Totems List need updating?

    So, yeah, I'm back after a huge hiatus. I've been spending my time dealing with Real Life (TM), playing World of Warcraft (gawds, I love that game but it's a HUGE time sink), and editing a few Star Wars D6 fanbooks (my peeps and I are working on D6 fanbooks of Rebels Season 3 & 4, the 80s cartoon Droids, Rogue One and even a book for the Solo movie), so I just haven't been able to get back here to post.

    So it's been about three years since I published my Lists and after making out like a bandit with OPP's sale of WoD books this week (gawds, I spent close to $100 and must have gotten three dozen new PDFs), I figured it was time to see if my Lists needed updating.

    I also got Zachary Ball's Werewolf Gift Compilation from DriveThruRPG's sale as part of my splurge. I'd love to incorporate these Gifts into my Lists, but I suspect there would probably be legal issues involved since this book contains only Gifts AND is being sold for profit. Therefore, any copying and pasting I would do of the Compilation would likely be flat out copyright interference since I'd be taking exact text from a sold-for-profit book and providing the same text in a free-for-download medium. So yeah, I don't want to mess with that. At most, I might include a shameless plug of having a note at the end of my Lists to have people buy their own copy of Balls' Gift Compilation, but that's as far as I think I could go.

    What do you guys think? Zachary Ball's Werewolf Gift Compilation aside, are there other recently published books that have Gifts that need to be newly incorporated into my Lists?

    And what's the deal with the Storyteller's Vault? Are these books official, semi-official, non-official fanmade stuff or some combination of all three?

  • Lian
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    Originally posted by Su-tehp View Post
    Narukami is a reprint from where? I don't recognize him. Can you give me a page reference for his original write-up?
    He's Grandfather Thunder. Just they call him Narukami. He has the same traits, Ban, sends a storm crow etc.

    Yeah, Hare (and by extension Rabbit) is a totem I can easily see as Cunning, especially after being familiar with stuff like Watership Down. You don't survive in a Death World without being crafty and clever.
    There are at least 2 other Bunny totems, I'm just going straight Hengeyokai Hare which in the write up pretty solidly is "get out of things with quick thinking"

    Inari (from what I know of him, which admittedly isn't much) is a totem I can also see as Cunning. Tiger is mentioned in his write-up as a "totem of war" (as opposed to a Totem of War), so that one is easy. Your rationale for Mongoose and Teanoi as War totems is reasonable, so we'll go with that.
    Inari is complicated, as a god. As what aspects of the god he gets etc. But since the write up seems to be just "Kitsune totem because gods know fox wouldn't have worked there" I put him in cunning. IF they played up some of his other aspects as a God IRL I'd make him Wisdom.

    I grant you that while totems and their favored animals they resemble aren't supposed to be identical in nature, they still share some traits. In light of that, dogs and oxen don't strike me as especially clever creatures (so I'm disinclined to say they're Totems of Wisdom), but they do earn respect in each their own way: dogs by being loyal and helpful, and oxen for being steady and tireless beasts of burden. For this reason, I'm inclined to make Dog and Ox as Totems of Respect.
    Seems solid enough

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  • Su-tehp
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    Narukami is a reprint from where? I don't recognize him. Can you give me a page reference for his original write-up?

    Yeah, Hare (and by extension Rabbit) is a totem I can easily see as Cunning, especially after being familiar with stuff like Watership Down. You don't survive in a Death World without being crafty and clever.

    Inari (from what I know of him, which admittedly isn't much) is a totem I can also see as Cunning. Tiger is mentioned in his write-up as a "totem of war" (as opposed to a Totem of War), so that one is easy. Your rationale for Mongoose and Teanoi as War totems is reasonable, so we'll go with that.

    I grant you that while totems and their favored animals they resemble aren't supposed to be identical in nature, they still share some traits. In light of that, dogs and oxen don't strike me as especially clever creatures (so I'm disinclined to say they're Totems of Wisdom), but they do earn respect in each their own way: dogs by being loyal and helpful, and oxen for being steady and tireless beasts of burden. For this reason, I'm inclined to make Dog and Ox as Totems of Respect.

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  • Lian
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    Bear and Narukami are reprints so my thoughts are..

    Hare and Inari-Cunning.

    Mongoose-war because he's almost a pallet swap of Weasel.

    Teanoi- isn't as bad but share some solid thematics with Shark so I'd put him in War.

    Tiger-war

    Dog and Ox are the ones I'm not sure if should be wisdom or Respect

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  • Su-tehp
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    Originally posted by Lian View Post
    I mean looking at the write ups they do have a strong Chinese/Japanese cultural vibe.. but I don't see that as any of an issue than say the Stargazer totems or even the Wendigo Totems. They don't have say.. the same issues of Dragon from Mokole which is completely unusable by nonMokole or any of the totems from Rokea..
    There is that, I suppose. Still, having to figure out which of the hengeyokai totems are totems of Respect, War or Wisdom is not something I'd like to repeat after having to do it for Wendigo Revised. You would think it would be easy to figure that sort of thing out from the context, but you'd be wrong. Sometimes the text of the traits give indications for more than one type.

    I'll see what I can do.

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  • Lian
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    I mean looking at the write ups they do have a strong Chinese/Japanese cultural vibe.. but I don't see that as any of an issue than say the Stargazer totems or even the Wendigo Totems. They don't have say.. the same issues of Dragon from Mokole which is completely unusable by nonMokole or any of the totems from Rokea..

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  • Su-tehp
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    Originally posted by Lian View Post
    I was thinking you should add the Hengeyokai Totems, they unlike the other CB totems are built to work for multiple fera types.
    Yeah, the thing about the hengeyokai totems is that they're not properly divided into their categories of Respect, War or Wisdom, (a flaw that Hengeyokai shares with Revised Tribebook: Wendigo). For another, it's mentioned on pp113-114 of Hengeyokai while there are a few Western totems that also aid their Eastern children, there's no mention of totems of the Emerald Courts serving as totems for Western Fera. Both those reasons make including the hengeyokai totems in my list problematic as it's meant for Western Garou/Fera.

    Still, I suppose I could include the hengeyokai totems for completeness' sake, but it's gonna take me a little while to figure out which of these totems belongs in what category (something I was already forced to do for the totems in Revised Tribebook: Wendigo). And I have to finish the Rites list first. We'll see.

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  • Lian
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    I was thinking you should add the Hengeyokai Totems, they unlike the other CB totems are built to work for multiple fera types.

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  • Su-tehp
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    Originally posted by Lachdanan View Post
    Yeah, I found this list the other day myself. I was a bit worried that it might be obsolete as it was made years before W20, but it's still useful for all the rites that aren't in W20. I just have to ignore anything that listed as being from the old corebooks; all of that is likely already in W20 anyway, which I've already copied and pasted into my list.

    One major problem is that copying and pasting from the PDFs also carries along all the paragraph and line breaks from the book, so I have to manually delete each of those by hand in order to get the docfile looking nice and justified/aligned. It's slow work, but it beats rewriting it verbatim if I couldn't copy and paste them because of low quality PDFs. Still, for some of the older books, I may have to resort to that. At least, according to this list, the only rites in the Rage Across books are in Rage Across Appalachia and Rage Across the Heavens, neither of which I can copy and paste from. Still, that's only 5 rites total. The Revised Tribebooks are gonna be a pain in the ass as well. Well, we'll see.

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  • Lachdanan
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    Originally posted by Su-tehp View Post
    If people want to help out, they can make a list of which W:tA books have published Rites in them and post them (with page numbers) here in this thread. That will make it easier for me to compile everything in one place.
    As you wish.

    http://www.pen-paper.net/indices/wod/rites.pdf

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  • Lian
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    Originally posted by gx240 View Post
    I just wanted to say that your totem list in particular is a godsend. It's definitely a lot easier than looking through dozens of books trying to remember where you last saw something (especially when there are multiple versions of the same totem). I really hope you decide to add all the Fera totems (minus the Nunnhei) at some point though. Then it would be pretty much a single complete source.

    One thing I noticed when going through the Fera books for trying to make a Sentai... alot of the Fera Totems are very much breed specific.

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  • gx240
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    I just wanted to say that your totem list in particular is a godsend. It's definitely a lot easier than looking through dozens of books trying to remember where you last saw something (especially when there are multiple versions of the same totem). I really hope you decide to add all the Fera totems (minus the Nunnhei) at some point though. Then it would be pretty much a single complete source.

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  • Su-tehp
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    Originally posted by Lian View Post
    OH yeah the reason I was thinking about the Nunnhei thing, we were using your totem list to try and find one for a Dreamspeaker and I was like "I know Tobacco is a totem but he's not in here.."
    Lol, that's awesome. But yeah, no nunnehi totems in my list. Still, having a Fera in a Mage campaign was pretty awesome; I very fondly (if only vaguely) recall a Mage campaign I was involved in years ago where I was a Bubasti in a mage cabal. We were a bunch of ragtag misfits for sure: a Bubasti, a defecting Void Engineer, at least one Orphan and a Cultist of Ecstasy. My Bubasti and the Void Engineer did NOT get along. And the guy playing the Void Engineer? My best friend. Good times.

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  • Lian
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    OH yeah the reason I was thinking about the Nunnhei thing, we were using your totem list to try and find one for a Dreamspeaker and I was like "I know Tobacco is a totem but he's not in here.."

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  • Su-tehp
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    Originally posted by Lian View Post
    fair enough, What about a Rites Compendium?
    Oof, I've been mulling that over for a while now. After the sale of oWoD books in October (that was a frickin' gawdsend!), I bought a bunch of Werewolf books on PDF, so I might finally have the resources to cut and paste many, if not most, of the published Rites. It's a project that has to go on the back burner for now; I've got a number of other things going on, including looking for a new job, slowly (but surely) editing Mr. Gone's W20 Changing Breed sheets and trying to catch up on BattleTech as they're (finally!) going into the ilClan era (and I think it's either going to be Clan Wolf or Clan Jade Falcon and my money is on Clan Wolf).

    But yeah, a Rites compendium would be useful and it wouldn't be nearly so bad/large/time-consuming to create as the Garou Gifts list or the Changing Breed Gifts list. I'll see what I can do, but it's gonna take a while.

    If people want to help out, they can make a list of which W:tA books have published Rites in them and post them (with page numbers) here in this thread. That will make it easier for me to compile everything in one place.
    Last edited by Su-tehp; 10-21-2018, 01:11 PM.

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