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“No one holds command over me. No man, no god, no Prince. Call your damn Hunt. We shall see who I drag screaming down to hell with me.” The last Ahrimane says this when Mithras calls a Blood Hunt against her. She/her.
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I think the Seventh Generation is an example of something that latter White Wolf would publish in a Black Dog supplement. Its defining feature is something that a lot of people would not be comfortable with at the gaming table. There are some good elements in it, but I would split it into three separate Wyrm factions as I mentioned in my analysis of Rage Across New York. One would be a greed cult based on the business and politics caste, another would be a disease/plague cult that dates back to the Stone Age, and a much smaller Seventh Generation cult focused on sex trafficking and related crimes. I also refocused the Seventh Generation as a cult directed against the "sacred feminine" which allows for leeway in the flavor text to avoid the ick factor.
I do like Wyrm cults though. In my chronicle notes, I have key canonical descriptions and ideas written for the Weeping Moon and Pretanic Order among others. In fact, the reason I started the thread was to see what else was known about the Circle of Red (which I only knew from that brief mention in first edition Book of the Wyrm), and wanted to know more in order to fill out my notes. The various references others have given have been a great help.
But I'm now getting obsessed about that issue of Redcap fanzine.
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That’s a good idea. If I ever run Werewolf I might steal your Seventh Generation retcon 😊.
I like the Pretanic Order too. I forgot about them.
Good luck finding that fanzine.
“No one holds command over me. No man, no god, no Prince. Call your damn Hunt. We shall see who I drag screaming down to hell with me.” The last Ahrimane says this when Mithras calls a Blood Hunt against her. She/her.
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Originally posted by Penelope View Post
I liked the Weeping Moon. The Seventh Generation creeped me out and not in a good way (aren’t they mostly defunct?). I never heard of the Circle of Red till I read this thread.
What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)
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I want to use the Seventh Generation in my game but with some changes. The original concept is very reflective of the Satanic Panic of the 80s, and nowadays it's too close for comfort to the modern online conspiracy theory of a vast network of Satanic pedophiles running the world. Now granted, one could say that in the World of Darkness, such a conspiracy may actually be real. That's fair, but I do not want to even take the chance of lending credence to such real-world beliefs in my game.
Also, Seventh Generation as written doesn't really seem to "fit" in my World of Darkness. With vampires and Pentex running stuff behind the scenes, it seems that they wouldn't really allow for much competition.
I've never liked villains that are just evil for evil's sake, such as Seventh Generation abusing children because "Evil!!! Mwahahaha!"
I plan to adjust Seventh Generation to be more like a self-empowerment group that has become infected with Wyrm-taint. There was a character like this on Dexter once who was sort of a dark mirror of a Tony Robbins-type empowerment guru. Add some hyper-masculine anti-feminist INCEL rhetoric. Sexual abuse is not the who mission of the cult, but some of its members engage in this practice because the social Darwinist dog-eat-dog mentality allows for it.
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One or both of the Silent Strider tribe books mentions the Red Circle or a Red Circle. I know based on what I remember that is where I developed the main villain in my Chronicle of the Ages campaign. I also know that I broke the Red Circle by aligning it with another group as well as the Giovanni vampires. My notes are currently boxed up and buried.
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Originally posted by Black Fox View PostIf anyone knows what is said in one or both Silent Strider tribebooks, or the page number the Circle of Red is mentioned, I'd appreciate it. I doubt I'll be able to quickly find the reference buried somewhere in 200 pages of text. Thanks.
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Thanks, I was able to look it up. It's more or less a throwaway line to namedrop the Flaying Plague plot of Dark Ages: Werewolf. Though it is interesting to see mentions that this plot, not just the disease but the Circle of Red also, specifically in terms of it occurring within the "Caliphate" (which I assume the author means the lands of Islam. There were multiple caliphates at this time, and there were many Muslim states that were not ruled by any of them.) This would indicate the Circle of Red was active in Muslim lands, while the Dark Ages books present them as more an exclusive European group. It also says that the Silent Striders destroyed the Circle which I assume either happened in the Dark Ages era, or sometime after that.
This is an interesting claim, though it might be a result of the fragmentation of the Garou Nation. Any large enemy group that is spread over a large area would be hard to destroy by any one sept, or even a concolation of them. But the Striders, being the Garou's internal messengers, could coordinate actions to make sure that enemy is destroyed. And as such, the Striders could claim that. That explanation makes more sense to me than the Striders themselves hunting down the last of the Circle of Red, which is still a possibility.
In any case, this is clearly a case of the "second incarnation" of the Circle of Red as a Dark Ages foe, not the original group of Nephandi assassins that work closely with the Black Spiral Dancers.
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