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  • Koronus
    started a topic Silverfangs and their need for noble kinfolk

    Silverfangs and their need for noble kinfolk

    So in my round their is an discussion about the silverfangs and how they only let their kinfolk breed with other kinfolk from high society families. In our world there is a family of jewes where the sons inherit a gen mutation, that makes them high intelligent but a high grade albino too. Those are because of their historic background kinfolk of the glasswalkers.
    Now it whas the discussion because they made their asylum as refugess in UK during Nazideutschland and there one of them fell in true love with a daughter of noble family who saw in him the white knight. They saw their love part of fate because both are awekened and joined the virtual adepts.

    While the part with the kinfolk joining the technocracy seems a little far stretched our main discussion whas when we got to look into Kinfolk A breed apart.
    Because we first thought the nobles daughter would be either likely Children of Gaia or Fianna kinfolk but now we got to think, that they only can be a silverfang which made it complicated.
    Because of how rigorous they are in marriage arrangements it seems unlikely, that they would even let her out to talk with such filthy lowlife. We thought about that mayby she could convince them, that he would be an blessing for the tribe because it would be guarenteed, that all sons of this marriage would be a genius though the albinism seems to be a heavy drawback.

    We thought shortly about that they mayby they could be unknowing but that would only be believable for him but not her.

    Or would be mayby because of this constellation the joining of the technocracy be even more believable because they ran away together to be forever?

    Anyone else has an idea or something to say about the silverfangs and how their kinfolk situation work?

  • heinrich
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    Originally posted by Black Fox View Post
    Silver Fangs do not have a monopoly of kinfolk that can nobles or aristocratic.
    You tried telling them that?

    No, seriously, you are right, it is possible for various reasons, that a noble person is not of Silver Fang ancestry (which doesn't mean the Silver Fangs now try to lay claim on that family), and some other reasons why a kinfolk of another tribe would be noble.

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  • Black Fox
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    Originally posted by Koronus View Post
    Because we first thought the nobles daughter would be either likely Children of Gaia or Fianna kinfolk but now we got to think, that they only can be a silverfang which made it complicated.
    Silver Fangs do not have a monopoly of kinfolk that can nobles or aristocratic. Plus, in countries like England, it was possible for commoners to be elevated to knighthood and somehow keep elevating their status by good marriages or services to the Crown. And as the country entered modern times, it became increasingly common for aristocrats to marry wealthy commoners. And a kinfolk lineage could surreptitiously become part of a noble family that way.

    In short, I wouldn't worry about it. Non-Silver Fangs would be a definite minority in any kinfolk population of nobles, but it's not a problem to have one. Just make it clear this is not standard.

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  • grimjaws
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    Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
    One of my influences on how certain Silver Fang kin families might end up is the Gaunt family from Harry Potter. They are the purest of purebloods, tracing their lineage directly back to Salazar Slytherin. And they are also dirt poor, living in a tiny shack in the woods and more than a little crazy. I could easily see this as some sort of super pure bred family, who can trace themselves back to some legendary tribal hero, but who haven't produced a Garou in generations and are desperately hoping to match one of the last kids up with a well bred Silver Fang in hopes of finally making it.
    I've been thinking about this issue in regards to poor Silver Fangs noble Kin marrying into bourgeois monied, American families to keep the estates alive. I see this time period to be a real struggle for the Kin families as noble titles were removed all over Europe post 1918, but these are just human titles and should only have some bearing on the Silver Fang lines.

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  • heinrich
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    In the UK, especially however in Ireland, there also nobles can be FIanna kin. However, some might want a kinfolk to pursuit her heart others might think, she should pursuit what I passionately want for her. For we are in a feud with these MacGregors since five centuries and you won't Romeo & Juliet me on this, because Shakespear was a damn brit and we don't like these people either.

    I mean, they are Fianna, and they are passionate, passionate about every opinion they have, and basically all opinions are present, passionately.

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  • Koronus
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    The Cat Came Back So you suggest that her noble family could be as well be Fianna Kinfolk that would then even support her to follow her calling heart. Anout the Crossover well there whas already plan, that at least two of there grandchildren should be changelings.
    (Or so. Those are characters of a couple and they are still working on the exact family tree)
    Anyway thank you for the extrem helpfull comment.

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  • The Cat Came Back
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    Even a fairly libertine Silver Fang sept is going to want to advantage their tribe if they marry out their kinfolk, and honestly this dude doesn't sound like he's bringing much to the table for them. He's an albino, which is genuinely a big problem. And it's not as if the Silver Fangs are lacking for smart kinfolk and Garou all their own. He's a refugee, who has no connections to his own tribe, so he brings exactly zero political advantage to the tribe through this. And if he's tied up with mages, then he actually presents a potential liability.

    I honestly don't see this working out, if she's Silver Fang kinfolk.

    But good news! The British Isles are kind of a mess, when it comes to tribes. This noble girl is probably as likely to be Glass Walker or Black Fury kinfolk as she is Silver Fang or Fianna. hell there's an even better chance that she's just a completely 100% normal human (mage stuff aside) or even, dare i suggest extra crossover, a changeling or kinain.

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  • heinrich
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    There are Silver Fang houses for most parts of the world and they would tend to claim human leaders as kin. That said, in history, the right to rule was often inherited and thus royals were the rulers and therefore Silver Fang kin. Nowadays charismatic leaders can come from a variety of families, but one would argue that Silver Fangs are cautious to incorporate them, because of their carefully preserved Pure Breed.

    That said, when House Winter Snow fell and House Austere Howl moved into the UK, some kinfolk families might have been lost to the Silver Fangs, either because they resisted the new house or were deemed as too unimportant to remain groomed by the tribe. Which doesn't mean the tribe wouldn't take notice, if an exceptional person was born into that kin family.

    That said, Silver Fang arranged marriages seem to be for kin/kin pairings. True born garou, as of revised, might use a Rite that will lead them to the building where their ideal partner resides. The introduction of that Rite made some previous text about how Silver Fangs arrange their marriages kind of obsolete.

    In any case, while a couple like described above might be highly unlikely, it might not be impossible.

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  • Black Fox
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    Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
    One of my influences on how certain Silver Fang kin families might end up is the Gaunt family from Harry Potter. They are the purest of purebloods, tracing their lineage directly back to Salazar Slytherin. And they are also dirt poor, living in a tiny shack in the woods and more than a little crazy.
    This is how I have a lot of Silver Fang families too. Pure Breed Silver Fangs can trace back their noble blood by thousands of years, far older than any human dynasty. Even if you think that many Silver Fang kinfolk families managed to breed with human nobility (and when would this have happened? probably in Late Antiquity and Early Middle Ages), there are probably many that didn't. And not all the human noble families that interbred with managed to stay on top of the noble racket.
    Last edited by Black Fox; 07-10-2020, 01:49 PM.

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  • No One of Consequence
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    One of my influences on how certain Silver Fang kin families might end up is the Gaunt family from Harry Potter. They are the purest of purebloods, tracing their lineage directly back to Salazar Slytherin. And they are also dirt poor, living in a tiny shack in the woods and more than a little crazy. I could easily see this as some sort of super pure bred family, who can trace themselves back to some legendary tribal hero, but who haven't produced a Garou in generations and are desperately hoping to match one of the last kids up with a well bred Silver Fang in hopes of finally making it.

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  • Gryffon15
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    Well one of the things about the Silver Fang kinfolk situation is that it's somewhat a Chicken-Egg question, as in, are Silver Fang kinfolk noble because the tribe chooses from nobility or are Silver Fang kinfolk noble because the tribe is noble.

    Or perhaps to clarify: do Silver Fang's choose to breed with the families of nobility or do the families they choose to breed with become nobility?

    Probably a bit of both.

    So obviously the Silver Fangs are the nobility of the Garou Nation. Falcon's high standards require they maintain their high blood purity and thus there version of the 'Mandate of Heaven'. Thus from the birth of the tribe they have chosen great people to be their kinfolk and it is likely the first Silver Fangs were leaders of their primeval tribes, packs, and bands and their families came together under the mantle of the Silver Fangs.

    Thereafter, the tribe most now seek out noble people's with a variety of justifications rising through history. Some choose certain ethnic groups, certain families. The blood of kings and eugenics are dark marks on the tribe's history because of their culture and totemic obligation.

    However, it's obvious that not all Silver Fang kinfolk will be active nobility. For instance - nobility can rise and fall. There are Russian noble families scattered by the diaspora of the Russian Revolution who would hold Silver Fang kinfolk who can barely rule their own apartment and 401k. Yet, they still have the blood of the tribe.

    Furthermore, not all nobility need be Silver Fangs and not just because of the ratio of human leaders to Silver Fangs. Many leaders likely aren't kinfolk and of those who are while there probably are many Silver Fangs, there's room for the other tribes and breeds as well.

    An Irish congressman may well be Fianna kinfolk, a Norwegian businessman may be Fenrir kinfolk, a Fortune 500 CPA may be Glass Walker kinfolk, and the leader of your local tent city may be Bone Gnawer kinfolk.

    Finally, the Silver Fang are (probably) older then human notions of nobility. The Silver Fangs choose their partners because for some reason - they believe them to be pure. Some may make that distinction because of legacy, others because of merit, others because of class, others because of race, and some because of spirit.

    Nobility is found in many forms and wherever one can be found with the Honor of Falcon in their breast, the blood of the Silver Fang tribe may flow.

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