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  • Any of you wish they’ll detail Shinzui Industries more?

    I know that it was in the end games book, but that wasn’t about it’s products or holdings. And more in its plan to separate the gauntlet.

    It seems that Spider mama doesn’t get near a much attention as the Wyrm.

  • Gryffon15
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    I have, it’s really cool! I recommend it a great deal!

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  • grimjaws
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    Originally posted by Gryffon15 View Post
    Yeah, I’d like to see more because I think that would be interesting to flesh out but I do also appreciate what we already have that we could use as inspiration.

    More then information on PENTEX or Shinzui in particular though, what I would really like is something along the lines of “Walker’s Guide to Enemy Corporations”, maybe something a spiritual companion of successor to Monkeywrencher’s guide.

    An exploration of corporations in general and how they can be used as antagonists in WtA (and WoD in general) and how they propagate Weaver and Wyrm taint. I’d particularly like to see a section and Weaver and Wyrm corporations in general that talk about groups that are tainted by or infiltrated by the triat that ARE’NT Pentex.

    That’s just me though.
    Have you seen this thread?

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  • Black Fox
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    DNA was introduced in the first edition Werewolf corebook, so it has literally been a part of the game since day one.

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  • Konradleijon
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    Originally posted by Black Fox View Post
    DNA originally was just an example of a modern hunter of werewolves, without any greater ties to the occult. (Though there were statements that some of the high tech they used to capture werewolves came from the Technocracy.) But at some point, that changed to them becoming a tool of the Weaver.

    Personally, I did not like the change. DNA went from being a mundane organization just exposed to the supernatural and trying to understand it (and making lots of mistakes doing so), to just another supernatural faction. I think the earlier depiction was much more interesting. And with DNA being changed, the game suddenly didn't have a "hunter" antagonist any longer which I felt created a gap in the setting. (By the time I actually began playing the game, this change had already been made. But once I began collecting earlier material and came across the original depiction, I found I liked it a lot better).

    But I understand many people didn't see DNA as a "hunter", but more of a "super science" organization that had to be explained and thus became more super-powered and the Weaver was a natural thing to explain it.
    Wait wasn’t D.N.A introduced in book of weaver.

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by Black Fox View Post
    DNA originally was just an example of a modern hunter of werewolves, without any greater ties to the occult. (Though there were statements that some of the high tech they used to capture werewolves came from the Technocracy.) But at some point, that changed to them becoming a tool of the Weaver.

    Personally, I did not like the change. DNA went from being a mundane organization just exposed to the supernatural and trying to understand it (and making lots of mistakes doing so), to just another supernatural faction. I think the earlier depiction was much more interesting. And with DNA being changed, the game suddenly didn't have a "hunter" antagonist any longer which I felt created a gap in the setting. (By the time I actually began playing the game, this change had already been made. But once I began collecting earlier material and came across the original depiction, I found I liked it a lot better).

    But I understand many people didn't see DNA as a "hunter", but more of a "super science" organization that had to be explained and thus became more super-powered and the Weaver was a natural thing to explain it.
    DNA is hardly presented as supernatural, since they continually beat their heads against the wall trying to understand how Garou do things and have no actual "magic" equipment. They "serve" the Weaver almost entirely in the abstract sense of being driven to make the world sanitized, as one of their aims is to eliminate the "disease" of GLS. Pulling any kind of unexpected trick against them in an encounter will generally result in their teams being set on the back foot, and one can only imagine the shock to their Derelex Lupus-7 addled minds if they gazed upon an Archid Mokole in the flesh.

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  • Black Fox
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    DNA originally was just an example of a modern hunter of werewolves, without any greater ties to the occult. (Though there were statements that some of the high tech they used to capture werewolves came from the Technocracy.) But at some point, that changed to them becoming a tool of the Weaver.

    Personally, I did not like the change. DNA went from being a mundane organization just exposed to the supernatural and trying to understand it (and making lots of mistakes doing so), to just another supernatural faction. I think the earlier depiction was much more interesting. And with DNA being changed, the game suddenly didn't have a "hunter" antagonist any longer which I felt created a gap in the setting. (By the time I actually began playing the game, this change had already been made. But once I began collecting earlier material and came across the original depiction, I found I liked it a lot better).

    But I understand many people didn't see DNA as a "hunter", but more of a "super science" organization that had to be explained and thus became more super-powered and the Weaver was a natural thing to explain it.

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  • Konradleijon
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    Yeah well there’s barely any info on Shinzui anyways so yeah more Weaver companies,

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  • Gryffon15
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    Glad ya think so, but yeah, I always try to show that PENTEX, Shinzui, and DNA are not the end-all be-all of triat tainted corporate structures.

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  • Konradleijon
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    Originally posted by Gryffon15 View Post
    Yeah, I’d like to see more because I think that would be interesting to flesh out but I do also appreciate what we already have that we could use as inspiration.

    More then information on PENTEX or Shinzui in particular though, what I would really like is something along the lines of “Walker’s Guide to Enemy Corporations”, maybe something a spiritual companion of successor to Monkeywrencher’s guide.

    An exploration of corporations in general and how they can be used as antagonists in WtA (and WoD in general) and how they propagate Weaver and Wyrm taint. I’d particularly like to see a section and Weaver and Wyrm corporations in general that talk about groups that are tainted by or infiltrated by the triat that ARE’NT Pentex.

    That’s just me though.
    That would be cool, showing how Compnies in WOD are tainted by the occult, and written as a guide to a Glass Walker wanting to beat them on their own game.

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  • Penelope
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    No. The Dragons are much less hostile toward more mystically-oriented mages than Western Technocrats are. Though I think the White Metal Dragons in particular tend to be more Cyberpunk-ish.

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  • Gryffon15
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    Yeah, I’d like to see more because I think that would be interesting to flesh out but I do also appreciate what we already have that we could use as inspiration.

    More then information on PENTEX or Shinzui in particular though, what I would really like is something along the lines of “Walker’s Guide to Enemy Corporations”, maybe something a spiritual companion of successor to Monkeywrencher’s guide.

    An exploration of corporations in general and how they can be used as antagonists in WtA (and WoD in general) and how they propagate Weaver and Wyrm taint. I’d particularly like to see a section and Weaver and Wyrm corporations in general that talk about groups that are tainted by or infiltrated by the triat that ARE’NT Pentex.

    That’s just me though.

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  • Black Fox
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    Shinzui Industries was described in the Book of the Weaver. I don't remember it being mentioned in any other sourcebook. It has about two pages of description. It's a large Japanese corporation that has both native Hakken Garou and kinfolk, and Hong Kong Glass Walkers in its management. However, they've stopped showing up to any tribal or sept moots. Its board of directors serve the Weaver through various means (some are Drones, others aren't). And that's about all. So it is more of plot hook for individual ST's to develop as they want.

    I personally don't find the hook interesting, and we're not given enough other details about the company (what kind of products does it make, specific goals and projects, etc.) to provide me any real inspiration.

    If I was going to do anything, I'd probably find some Japanese cyberpunk anime that I found interesting and reskin it by using the Shinzui name, since that is obviously what's going on. If I was ever going to do some kind of Weaver activity through a corporation, I'd probably use it as well. But my interests don't lie in that way, so I'll likely never use it.

    However, like many fictional WoD corporations, I may name drop it here and there just to provide more WoD flavor to the chronicle background.

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  • Erinys
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    My understanding is that Mages similar to the European Order of Reason arose also in Arab lands during the Arab golden age of science (forming the Mokteshaf al Nour) and in China and adjecent lands (forming the Dalou'laoshi and now the Five Elemental Dragons). I would expect something similar arose or could have arisen in South Asia which was/is another center of scientific thought, but I don't know of any canon example.

    Are the Dragons just as genocidal as the Western Technocrats?

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  • Penelope
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    The White Metal Dragons are one of the newly-renamed Five Elemental Dragons in Technocracy Reloaded (Asian mages similar in some ways to the European Technocracy and very different in other ways). At least I think I got that right...

    The Hsien are Asian fae, but are connected to Heaven instead of the Dreaming, just like the Nunnehi are tied to the Middle Umbra.

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