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  • Gay Get Of Fenris Adren Modi, how would this character be perceived in the lore?

    I’m asking in regards to one of my PCs, probably the longest running one. He’s an Adren of the Get, with over 7 Glory, a little over 3 honor, and about 2.5 Wisdom. When in the battlefield, as you can probably guess, he’s a nightmare.

    In the almost literal sense, seeing as thanks to his Pack Totem of Mammoth, he has 7 strength in Homid, and hits like a freight train regardless of what form he’s in. When he’s in the field, he’s all business, skilled with unarmed combat, infiltration, tactical planning, firearms, and explosives.

    Outside the field, however is another matter. He’s an Adren at the age of twenty, is a big goofy cuddlebug, when he doesn’t have to split heads, loving on his pack, tribemates, and mate, a twenty-six year old Medical Graduate and Doctor. And yes, both gents are very happy together.

    I do wonder though, how the Get would perceive that. He’s big Flamboyant, Femme, and wears makeup on the regular, when he isn’t splitting heads open, and is not ashamed or quiet about his sexuality, and trying to force him to be quiet is more likely to get your teeth smashed down your throat.

    Personality-wise, he’s still young, a punk and a troublemaker, but he’s also undeniably one of the tribe members, who knows how to get shit done.

    So I guess my main question is, would the Get take issue, with one of their biggest and most terrifying members in a sept, being openly, defiantly, and unrepentantly gay?

  • #2
    Fenrir respect Strength. He seems to have that in spades. Both Physically and in terms of Personality. He's pretty much a model Fenrir.

    Now, thats not to say there aren't individual Garou in the sept that might have baggage from the way they were raised that might get their hackles up.....but he's absolutely fine by Tribal and Totemic standards.

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    • #3
      Yeah, he's clearly Strong in any way that really matters. While his behavior is likely to get a few eye-rolls from some quarters, the only real issue is whatever renown hit he eventually takes for not being "honorably mated" and producing offspring.


      What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly. That is the first law of nature.
      Voltaire, "Tolerance" (1764)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
        Yeah, he's clearly Strong in any way that really matters. While his behavior is likely to get a few eye-rolls from some quarters, the only real issue is whatever renown hit he eventually takes for not being "honorably mated" and producing offspring.

        Sample container, turkey baster and willing kinfolk takes care of the second one. 1st ones up to interpretation, true.

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        • #5
          Viking culture, if at all relevant to Get, posits that it's not gay if you're the penetrator, It's actually super manly to assert yourself like that over an enemy (IE rape) but you're absolutely a worthless, laughable man if you're the reciever. With the worship of Fenrir, a "badguy" in mainstream belief, the GoF may be entirely opposed to 'viking' culture, and what I just said may be entirely irrelevant.


          What I do know about Get culture, is that you will absolutely get shit and be tested for anything. Your packmates will constantly make fun of you... but that's a tough, military kind of love, y'know? They're gonna buy you lipstick and dildos and call you a faggot but really you're going to mean the world to them. Your friends will be the meanest of them all, because they know your boundries best, and you can only affirm your friendship with equal or greater verbal smack. The Get are just going to constantly test boundries, in part to test that nobody's weak, in part because it's funny.

          Just watch any war movie or TV show and see how soldiers make fun of eachother.
          Last edited by MyWifeIsScary; 08-31-2020, 03:48 AM.


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          • #6
            The tradition of Bragging is one of the aspects of Fenrir Culture, and really anyone who is a loudmouth, not necessarily about sexuality just being a loudmouth in general, is going to be tested, if superior to everyone in strength then Rotagar would test them with pranks and Skalds would test them with flytings(like rap slam them in clever ways). So you are encouraged to brag and be loud rather then humble, but stoicism is also treasured, but only up to the point where you can back it up. So anyone who is annoying will be tested.

            Saying someone is promiscuous with Men (both women promiscuous with men, and men promiscuous with other men) is one of the heaviest Curse Words in ancient Norse and one could legally kill someone of the same rank in society or lower if they disparaged you thusly. But while Fenrir shared a lot of cultural traits with the Ancient Norse and kept a lot lost to the inheritor cultures, by modern times they seemed to generally be pretty open to freedoms as long as you are doing your duty as a warrior, and especially if you can kick anyone's ass. In The Book of Auspices they had a section I think with the Narrator being a Fenrir from I want to say WWII but I might be imagining it and it was just a soldier Metis, but they talk about Homosexual Metis skirting the whole Garou Shall Not lay with other Garou taboo because they were sterile and thus no Metis could occur, and it couldn't happen even if they weren't sterile because its a same sex relationship. But we also get a lot of variation of mores between septs, because essentially Philodox have a lot of leeway among the Garou to interpret the Litany. So some septs might have accepted more homid values.


            But basically if fraternity within the tribe is pretty absolute if you prove yourself, they will overlook a helluva lot of Foibles, and this is why Ironically they can be one of the absolutely most accepting tribes for Metis that are able to overcome their weakness, or don't have weaknesses that handicap warfare, because once they prove their worth and strength they will pretty much not allow outsiders to smack talk you, that's a privilege of tribemates and even that is interpreted through comparative ranks.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by No One of Consequence View Post
              Yeah, he's clearly Strong in any way that really matters. While his behavior is likely to get a few eye-rolls from some quarters, the only real issue is whatever renown hit he eventually takes for not being "honorably mated" and producing offspring.
              Yeah that is one of the things, if this character isn't Metis they will get a lot of social pressure to produce offspring with viable kinfolk even if they are homosexual. The books have had multiple NPCs who were expected to produce the next generation even if they were not attracted to their mate. Its probably going to harder on a female kinfolk unless they say find a lesbian kinfolk lady that is happy with having an "honorable mating relationship" with the character while they both come to an understanding that allows them both to have their true romantic partner.

              But if your character is 20, they could put it off for years. But eventually it may be in the characters interest to be proactive in being mated with a Kinfolk on their terms before the rest of the sept slowly prods more and more towards having kids. Like even having a sham marriage will earn the characters some extra stalling years before they have to produce offspring.


              It is a time for great deeds!

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              • #8
                MyWifeIsScary Sadly, this bad hombre is 110% bottom, regardless of his physical size and might.

                Part of the dichotomy with the character, is that in the field, he’s an absolute NIGHTMARE, when out in the field. The kinda Get who could take on Zhyzak, based on the original sheet I saw for her, and have a decent chance of winning.

                Outside of the field though, he’s a giant puppy, and more of a Matronly sort, when dealing with younger sept members or those of lower rank, testing them, and helping to train them, while still being brutal about it. Essentially he’d make for a perfect Den Parent.

                And as for smack-talking.......he’d laugh it off, and give it back. He’s an artist, and a descendant of Sky-Throat, so being good at disses comes naturally to him.
                Last edited by PunkManiak; 08-31-2020, 08:49 AM.

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                • #9
                  Man why is he still and Adren, he sounds like a monster.


                  It is a time for great deeds!

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                  • #10
                    @Eldagusto

                    He’s been slapped a time or two, for stepping out of Auspice. Comes with the territory of being a troublemaker, and being a skilled pickpocket and thief, while being a nightmare in a clean fight.

                    So he’s a smidge sleazy, but that’s also because this is a character I asked about a ways back. He’s the Get Modi, born of a GW Wise Guys Kinfolk mother. He knows his way around a city, better than just about any other Get.
                    Last edited by PunkManiak; 08-31-2020, 10:09 AM.

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                    • #11
                      I think a lot will depend on if the other characters where raised as human kenning, human callow or as wolves. Kenning humans raised in a sept and wolves are unlikely to care or maybe even approve of bucking the norms of Weaver society openly as a show of strength. But a lot of callow (and kenning humans raised in wider society) are going to have the same baggage as anyone else on the topic and the Get just seem to attract a lot of white suprimists.

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