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  • The contradiction of "Pure Breed Metis"

    I always wondered about the contradiction of Metis, even Silver Fangs Metis, possessing the "Pure Breed" Background.

    How can a physically/spiritually deformed and sterile mutant possess any Pure Pedigree at all in the first place?
    Last edited by Lin Liren; 04-10-2015, 07:23 AM.

  • #2
    How can two lines of Rulers interbreed and produce the heir of United Kingdom and Germany and still have all kinds of lovely messes?


    What doesn't kill you, makes you... stranger.

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    • #3
      "Ok, it's got horns, but it's definitely a Silver Fang with horns."

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      • #4
        Exactly. Imagine the social faux pais... "The Prince has arrived... he is a three eyes mongrel with a lizard tail... filthy scum... but make sure he is treated well, because he is royalty". And the attempts of the parents to hide him in other families and/or cover for his legacy would make for some interesting plot fodder.


        What doesn't kill you, makes you... stranger.

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        • #5
          On a slightly related note, I've always seen silver fangs drawn with platinum blonde hair, blue eyes...caucasian......are the ruling Garou tribe.....all white (and super aryan to boot)? I mean the one instance I know of having a little of something else in the gene pool and we got the Siberakh and they're outcasts!

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          • #6
            Pure Breed Fangs have white hair, and the two houses we see the most are the Russian Crescent Moon (Russian, the original house, and the "purest" Fangs) and House Wyrmfoe (Albrecht & Co). However, not all Silver Fangs are caucasian. House Wiseheart are arabic and semitic. House Blood Crescent are southeast asian, and house Wyrmfoe, the American House are considered rather crass for mixing with different people in the USA and lowering the overall purebreed of the Fangs.


            What doesn't kill you, makes you... stranger.

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            • #7
              Most Silver Fangs are "Caucasian" (including Houses Wise Heart and Blood Red Crest). They're just not necessarily "white" in the American sense, which some people use "Caucasian" to mean; it can get confusing.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
              Last edited by Morimaruvik; 04-10-2015, 05:42 PM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Asmodai View Post
                Pure Breed Fangs have white hair, and the two houses we see the most are the Russian Crescent Moon (Russian, the original house, and the "purest" Fangs) and House Wyrmfoe (Albrecht & Co). However, not all Silver Fangs are caucasian. House Wiseheart are arabic and semitic. House Blood Crescent are southeast asian, and house Wyrmfoe, the American House are considered rather crass for mixing with different people in the USA and lowering the overall purebreed of the Fangs.
                W20 changed Pure Breed so that it only affects your appearance out of Homid, though. Also, Blood-Red Crescent is over Asia in general, including India and Pakistan. Also, a sorely under-featured part of the game whenever it decides to start talking about Silver Fangs and goes off on Russia Above All Else, or the Beast Courts, and doesn't even mention if they're a part of them or not (given the original description of them in the old Tribebook, one would imagine that they at least knew the ropes and had some kind of regular interaction).

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                • #9
                  Since the former Soviet Union included the Caucasus, a lot of Silver Fangs would be Caucasian by default regardless of their skin color.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                    Also, a sorely under-featured part of the game whenever it decides to start talking about Silver Fangs and goes off on Russia Above All Else, or the Beast Courts, and doesn't even mention if they're a part of them or not (given the original description of them in the old Tribebook, one would imagine that they at least knew the ropes and had some kind of regular interaction).
                    I've wondered about that as well, given how closely some of their territories run. If nothing else, House Blood Red Crest should know something about the Beast Courts, though maybe the Beast Courts keep them at a distance due to associating Silver Fangs with the War of Rage.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Morimaruvik View Post
                      Most Silver Fangs are "Caucasian" (including Houses Wise Heart and Blood Red Crest). They're just not necessarily "white" in the American sense, which some people use "Caucasian" to mean; it can get confusing.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
                      That was the definition of caucasian I use, so I guess it does look like it.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tenrec View Post
                        On a slightly related note, I've always seen silver fangs drawn with platinum blonde hair, blue eyes...caucasian......are the ruling Garou tribe.....all white (and super aryan to boot)? I mean the one instance I know of having a little of something else in the gene pool and we got the Siberakh and they're outcasts!
                        That's more of legacy of Silver Fangs being arctic wolves, and many people living in the far north in Europe are very white skinned, blue eyed, and blonde hair. Especially with the idea that Silver Fangs are bred from noble families, there is a very European bias.

                        They should also show people descended from non-European peoples in the arctic or Siberia who would form the basis of the families of the royal houses in Asia (possibly Wise Heart and definitely Blood Red Crest). With them, you would have examples of Pure Breed Silver Fangs who don't look white.

                        Wise Heart may be more problematic because it seems to be more Mediterranean base which sounds like they are at least partially descended from European stock.

                        However, ultimately, the "appearance" of Silver Fangs is not tightly related to Pure Breed in the sense that Pure Breed must imply pale skin, blue eyes, platinum blond, etc. It's just that those are traits possessed by the European PB5, so that is what is passed on by PB obsessed families. Among Wise Heart and Blood Red Crest, the families that preserved PB5 would appear differently given the length of time they were in other lands, so we'd see other traits that "define" PB5 in those lands as being passed on. It's just that since no resources really exist for those lands, we've never been given that.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lin Liren View Post
                          I always wondered about the contradiction of Metis, even Silver Fangs Metis, possessing the "Pure Breed" Background.

                          How can a physically/spiritually deformed and sterile mutant possess any Pure Pedigree at all in the first place?
                          It's a good question, but we must remember that Pure Breed is not genetic, but spiritual. It's a connection to the greatness of blood of your ancestors, and Metis still have that "divine blood".

                          Not all metis are horribly deformed either. The classic example would be Tsarveich Alexi who had hemophilia because of inbreeding. That or similar could be an example of Metis among the Silver Fang.

                          As for deformities, we have the example of the last Hapsburg king of Spain, Charles II. He retained distinct appearance of the Hapsburg line even while being physically and mentally disabled as well as infertile. In that sense he retained "Pure Breed" while showing the problems a Metis would.

                          That such things are possible with "purity of blood", should tell the Garou that there are obvious limits to the concept.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Black Fox View Post

                            That's more of legacy of Silver Fangs being arctic wolves, and many people living in the far north in Europe are very white skinned, blue eyed, and blonde hair. Especially with the idea that Silver Fangs are bred from noble families, there is a very European bias.

                            They should also show people descended from non-European peoples in the arctic or Siberia who would form the basis of the families of the royal houses in Asia (possibly Wise Heart and definitely Blood Red Crest). With them, you would have examples of Pure Breed Silver Fangs who don't look white.

                            Wise Heart may be more problematic because it seems to be more Mediterranean base which sounds like they are at least partially descended from European stock.

                            However, ultimately, the "appearance" of Silver Fangs is not tightly related to Pure Breed in the sense that Pure Breed must imply pale skin, blue eyes, platinum blond, etc. It's just that those are traits possessed by the European PB5, so that is what is passed on by PB obsessed families. Among Wise Heart and Blood Red Crest, the families that preserved PB5 would appear differently given the length of time they were in other lands, so we'd see other traits that "define" PB5 in those lands as being passed on. It's just that since no resources really exist for those lands, we've never been given that.
                            To an extent I agree with this lack of information being and issue. For me, when I picture Silver Fang, I do picture the Rage Cards where only a few weren't blonde, but I don't believe I ever saw a non-caucasian. They did however cover non-European peoples in the arctic, and we got the Siberakh.....which are outcasts as far as Falcon is concerned, or am I wrong here?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Black Fox View Post

                              It's a good question, but we must remember that Pure Breed is not genetic, but spiritual. It's a connection to the greatness of blood of your ancestors, and Metis still have that "divine blood".

                              Not all metis are horribly deformed either. The classic example would be Tsarveich Alexi who had hemophilia because of inbreeding. That or similar could be an example of Metis among the Silver Fang.

                              As for deformities, we have the example of the last Hapsburg king of Spain, Charles II. He retained distinct appearance of the Hapsburg line even while being physically and mentally disabled as well as infertile. In that sense he retained "Pure Breed" while showing the problems a Metis would.

                              That such things are possible with "purity of blood", should tell the Garou that there are obvious limits to the concept.


                              All agreed here, and also remember that a metis trait can also not necessarily physical "deformity". The metis could be epileptic, some derangement (which would be perfectly inline with Silver Fang stereotypes), or something more mystical like taking extra damage from silver.

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