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  • Vendrin
    started a topic pentex subsidaries closest real life counterparts

    pentex subsidaries closest real life counterparts

    I'm running a game involving pentex and would prefer to run the pentex subsidiaries as their real world counterparts because everyone automatically suspects endron, otolleys etc.

    Looking for input on a few or suggestions if you think another company fits better.

    Endron - Exxon Mobil
    O'Tolleys- McDonald's
    King Breweries- Budweiser/ annheisher Busch
    magadon - ???
    Sunburst - Google, Apple or Microsoft?
    RED Network - FOX
    Tellus Games - EA or Activision?

  • Nail Eater
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    Originally posted by Uniform Two Six View Post
    Ahem... OR it actually WAS Pentex. Keep in mind that back in the real world, while BP owned the well -- it was an outfit called Transocean that was subcontracted to drill it and owned the rig. In the World of Darkness, there's nothing to say that entirely legit corporations like BP don't wind up subcontracting out to veiled tendrils of Endron or some other Pentex subsidiary.
    Ok, that's another option. But you got the point. The thing imho is that Pentex rarely could be connected to harmful activities directly. I think that it would rather give people something absolutely harmless and rely on human stupidity. Or creativity, whatever you want to call it. As with knife: you could prepare your meal with it or kill somebody (if knife was made by Pentex it could be the same :P). Or bend the law. Breaking it is the last and rarely used option.

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  • Uniform Two Six
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    Originally posted by Nail Eater View Post
    Or you can also hide Pentex intrigues among other corporations. Imagine that: BP oil well from Mexican Gulf was destroyed by rokea (they mistook it for Endron well; I doubt that they dam tell the difference). Or BP copied Endron politics. Or it was just an accident... How the player's characters could tell the difference?
    Ahem... OR it actually WAS Pentex. Keep in mind that back in the real world, while BP owned the well -- it was an outfit called Transocean that was subcontracted to drill it and owned the rig. In the World of Darkness, there's nothing to say that entirely legit corporations like BP don't wind up subcontracting out to veiled tendrils of Endron or some other Pentex subsidiary.

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  • Nail Eater
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    Originally posted by Vendrin View Post
    I'm running a game involving pentex and would prefer to run the pentex subsidiaries as their real world counterparts because everyone automatically suspects endron, otolleys etc.

    Looking for input on a few or suggestions if you think another company fits better.

    Endron - Exxon Mobil
    O'Tolleys- McDonald's
    King Breweries- Budweiser/ annheisher Busch
    magadon - ???
    Sunburst - Google, Apple or Microsoft?
    RED Network - FOX
    Tellus Games - EA or Activision?
    Try maybe look from another angle: as far as I remember 99% of p. ex. Magadon products are real pharmaceutics. The only side effect is that they increase Wyrm aura in users so real Wyrm minions becomes more difficult to detect. If Pentex subsidiaries products were too tainted prople would stop using them. My advice: don't try to find real life counterparts. Rather make the characters chase their own tails. For example create some news about Pentex subsidiaries (Magadon creates new tranquilizer, new gas from Endron help you keep yours car's engine clan etc). It should be normal, untainted products. And among them put a few news about products that are real threat. Because if we talk about Pentex subsidiaries the 2 main problems are that they are indispensable for life and the real threat is hidden in plain sight.

    Or you can also hide Pentex intrigues among other corporations. Imagine that: BP oil well from Mexican Gulf was destroyed by rokea (they mistook it for Endron well; I doubt that they dam tell the difference). Or BP copied Endron politics. Or it was just an accident... How the player's characters could tell the difference?
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  • Fat Larry
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    Originally posted by Uniform Two Six View Post
    Herculean Firearms / Smith & Wesson.
    Too big. Too legit. I'd go with Taurus. Smaller. Focuses on the psycho-gun-nut crowd more. Specializes in cheap, Saturday night special .22LR crap.
    Nah. As a "psycho gun nut" myself, Smith and Wesson favors my crowd far, FAR more heavily than Taurus. And while Taurus makes some cheap weapons, they have risen quite a bit in quality over the years--especially their revolvers, for which they are now mostly known for. Meanwhile, S&W regularly send me emails to remind me to be a "patriot" and purchase more of their firearms.

    Ruger, Beretta, or Springfield might be more accurate in terms of scale.

    To be fair, however, I doubt many White Wolf employees were gun afficionados at the time that Pentex was originally written. Especially guys like Phil Brucato who's not a fan of them.

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  • Black Fox
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    As I explained in that post from three years ago:

    Originally posted by Black Fox View Post
    While some of the subsidiaries are clearly meant to be parodies of a well known company, I think a lot are generic parodies of certain industries as a whole.
    Originally posted by Black Fox View Post
    While you may want to use well known names for some of these companies, you may want to come up with some of your own names. Here is one list using some big name companies as stand ins.
    So I don't know what the point of your comment is. The original poster wanted some real names he could use in place of the PENTEX ones. So I gave him some. If you want to give other options three years afterwards, you're free to do so. How closely did you actually read the thread?

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  • Uniform Two Six
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    Originally posted by Black Fox View Post
    ...[*]Endron International - ExxonMobil
    ...[*]Herculean Firearms Incorporated - Smith & Wesson
    ...[*]Herrick's - Wal-Mart
    ...[*]King Breweries and Distillers - Anheuser Busch InBev
    ...[*]Nastrum Enterprises - Lockheed Martin[*]O'Tolley's: "The Family Place" - McDonalds[*]Sunburst Enterprises International - Microsoft[*]Vesuvius Incorporated - Warner Brothers[*]Young and Smith, Incorporated - Procter & Gamble plus Kraft Foods
    Endron / ExxonMobil
    Disagree. Exxon (and by extension MobilOil) actually learned somewhat from the Exxon Valdez disaster. They're not squeaky clean, but they're hardly the worst offender. BP on the other hand is notorious for some of the environmental and safety sh** they do. Their corporate culture is very much aligned to the ideal that the fine is always cheaper than compliance. But my #1 for Endron would be Haliburton and their various thinly-veiled spin-offs like Kellogg Brown & Root.

    Herculean Firearms / Smith & Wesson.
    Too big. Too legit. I'd go with Taurus. Smaller. Focuses on the psycho-gun-nut crowd more. Specializes in cheap, Saturday night special .22LR crap. Also, given the names, I suspect that's what White Wolf's writers actually had in mind.

    Herrick's / Wal-Mart
    Meh... I'd actually associate Wal-Mart more with StarMart (the Weaver-controlled company)

    King / Anheuser Busch
    Only, it's actually explicitly stated that King is a smaller competitor to Anheuser Busch (and Miller, Coors, etc.)

    All the others are simply too big. Pentex is big, but their subsidiaries are never the #1 (or #2, or #3). They like to hide themselves a little further down the totem pole. Particularly since, if they do something, they can persuade their larger competitors to follow suit to "stay competitive". Also, I've always sort of assumed that Sunburst was a tongue-in-cheek reference to Sun Microsystems.

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  • Nail Eater
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    Maybe I'm a little late but still...

    Originally posted by Torakhan View Post
    Pentex = Pentex Energies Inc.?
    http://www.interiorgas.com/lawmakers...pentex-alaska/

    Apparently Pentex was founded in 2006... but, still... A little concerning when RL imitates fiction. :-/
    The funniest thing is that Pentex started as Premium Oil, a company that mined gas also .

    Another example of Pentex perfidity:

    https://www.indiedb.com/games/tellus-save-the-earth

    I also plan to run a campaign in which my players will try to ruin some of Pentex plans (something like Monkeywrench Pentex supplement). They (the players) are almost virgins in terms of W:tA world and glossary so they will be surprised. I am looking for some ideas involving humans (some kind of veiled evil corporate plans), not some kind of monster slaying actions. Something that will make my players wonder is it truly BSD they should be worry. I am also willing to share some of my ideas. But please send me yours as private messages not posts. I believe that some of them are here and I don't want to spoil the surprise.

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  • Matt the Bruins fan
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    My first manual camera back in school was a Pentax (also one letter off) K-1000. The choice camera for students at that time because they were virtually indestructible.

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  • The young man in the cafe
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    Originally posted by Torakhan View Post
    Pentex = Pentex Energies Inc.?
    http://www.interiorgas.com/lawmakers...pentex-alaska/

    Apparently Pentex was founded in 2006... but, still... A little concerning when RL imitates fiction. :-/
    I have an older friend who is former navy intelligence who once told me that most of the US's nukes during the cold war were made by a plant called Pantex , just one letter different but still in a wyrmish area. Apparently it's also a brand of cameras.

    Of course there is also a biotech company in real life that has the same name as the evil biotech company from NWoD hunter, so I'm just gonna chalk up to what I call the Simpsons effect "Any fiction series that runs long enough will eventually touch on something in real life that the writers didn't know about, even if the something in real life hadn't happened yet when the work was made."
    Last edited by The young man in the cafe; 04-27-2015, 09:10 PM.

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  • Torakhan
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    Pentex = Pentex Energies Inc.?
    http://www.interiorgas.com/lawmakers...pentex-alaska/

    Apparently Pentex was founded in 2006... but, still... A little concerning when RL imitates fiction. :-/

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  • Peat
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    As I said, it would be a bit far fetched and require a GM firmly on your side. Deffo makes more sense as chain mail. Not sure it would even hurt the Garou - the metal's going away from you and even if it does hit you, you're now in Crinos and probably not that bothered. I think I'd make it a gift though, rather than just a standard thing.

    edit: Or, if not on your side, on the side of general destruction

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by Peat View Post


    Potentially usefully messy, if your GM is kind enough to rule that going from Homid to Crinos basically shatters the armour from the inside, causing sharp metal fragments to go flying off and creating a shrapnel effect...


    Might be a bit far fetched though.
    I wish that were a Gift. Assuming that it didn't damage the user, of course.

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  • Asmodai
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    Yeah, I imagine the Garou never really cared for chain shirts or chain swathing...

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  • Su-tehp
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    Originally posted by Peat View Post


    Potentially usefully messy, if your GM is kind enough to rule that going from Homid to Crinos basically shatters the armour from the inside, causing sharp metal fragments to go flying off and creating a shrapnel effect...

    Might be a bit far fetched though.
    So essentially the medieval version of a suicide vest?...Yuck.

    Actually, no, that wouldn't even work. Plate armor is made of several pieces held in place over the body by leather straps. The straps would snap long before the metal would crack if a Garou shifted to Crinos while wearing the non-Dedicated armor. The armor wouldn't even fly off the Garou's body; the separate pieces of the armor would just fall off his chest, arms and legs as the leather straps ripped.

    Chain mail, being made of a bunch of linked metal pieces, however....

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