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  • Reviving the Lost

    With Changing Breeds now released we now have new,or at least lost, Fera to play with if we want to take the time to bring them back. I am considering writing a chronicle which incorporates bringing them back from Umbra which Changing Breeds hints towards their escape too. I am thinking that Australia would be the perfect setting for this chronicle for the following reasons:

    1) The majority of the land is still extremely feral.
    2) Garou population is fairly small due to the hostility with dream time spirits
    3) Already establish Caerns ready for use.
    4) Bats, Hogs, and with in the last few years one of the few places on earth that still has herds of Feral Cattle.
    5) A strong Mokole population which can help the Grondr and Apis adapt to a new kind of Kinfolk much like the African Mokole helped the Kucha Ekundu.

    I'd like to hear some thoughts, questions, concerns from others on this. I hate writing these kinds of things without feed back lol.

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    Downsides:
    - Bunyip Ghost Garou are pretty pissed at foreign transplants

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post
      Downsides:
      - Bunyip Ghost Garou are pretty pissed at foreign transplants
      Does it say they are pissed at them all? I am pretty sure they are just pissed at the Garou as they are on good terms with t Mokole, so using the mokole to transplant the other breeds still seems possible. Also these are Fera who suffered like they did. I think it gives room for a good story point for the chronicle as a whole maybe?

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      • #4
        Reasonable, living beings might give transplants a chance. The Bunyip ghosts are farther from reasonable than a group of fanatics, what with having been betrayed and murdered by other Garou. And the reason that they leave the Gumagan alone? The Gumagan were around before them.

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        • #5
          Agreed, Gumagan were the reason the Bunyip ever existed in Australia in the first place, but they are not the only ones they leave alone as the Nagah were also friends to the Bunyip. According to the new changing breeds book, the Bunyip came to Australia as wolves but found no animal kin. It was the Camazotz that took pity on them an got the Gumagan to help them by performing the ritual to take Thylacines as kin. If the Gumagan were willing to transplant these Fera I think it its plausible that since they are in a similar situation to what the Bunyip were long ago that they may be able to convince the spirits to allow them safe harbor.

          My research did however point out another Downside, the Camazotz purposefully with held knowledge of the European Garou coming to Australia from the Bunyip because of what the Shadowlords did in Mexico. As you have pointed out, this could definitely become a point of contention not only for the Bunyip spirits but also the Mokole with there very long memories, if I choose to include the Camazots in the grand return.

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          • #6
            I'd say Australia is about the best bet.

            Certainly there is no reason for the Bunyip to be hostile to the Lost Breeds. Heck, they're likely to be sympathetic, having basically suffered the same fate, only a bit later.

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            • #7
              My group is about to start a game like this, also in Australia, as soon as our Rage Across Russia game comes to a head. It's looking to be quite cool, we so far have an Ananasi, a Mokole, a Kitsune and a Grondr(me). We decided to go stuff that has representatives amongst local Aussie fauna.


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              • #8
                All I’d say is that feral pigs and feral cattle are not native wild boars or aurochs. And even if they were wild boars, the Changing Breeds book specifically says the wild boars of today are not the same as the kin to the Grondr and cannot be bred to revive the Grondr.
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                • #9
                  I feel sorry for your Ananasi, the local Nagah hold a pretty serious and ongoing grudge against them. I choose Australia for my concept because it represented a location that had Fauna that could potentially have all of the Lost there. They are one of the places that have a stable feral cattle population, making the Apis slightly more likely to be able to reproduce there.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rderekp View Post
                    All I’d say is that feral pigs and feral cattle are not native wild boars or aurochs. And even if they were wild boars, the Changing Breeds book specifically says the wild boars of today are not the same as the kin to the Apis and cannot be bred to revive the Apis.
                    Wild Hunting Dogs are fairly far removed from Wolves and the Thylacine are not even Canids. With the aid of the Mokole it is possible that said Fera could breed with their descendants.

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                    • #11
                      The Bunyip and the Mokole, among others, make it pretty clear that looking too closely at genetics is the wrong approach to Werewolf - the different Fera are meant to represent different types of archetypical roles that Gaia has chosen for them. Therefore, the Bunyip (as well as the jackal-like Silent Striders and the dog-like Bone Gnawers) are unmistakenly Garou, while the Mokole can breed with completely different types of reptiles. My advise is not to think too hard on what species some animal is, but instead think about whether that animal fits with the role Gaia has created for its relevant kind of Fera.

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                      • #12
                        Yes indeed. That said, however, the pigs and cattle have gone through the same domestication process as dogs, which explicitly changed their spirituality to where it is no longer fitting the roles Gaia once chose for them. So, just like Garou cannot breed with dogs (and no, we've been over this before, per the revised Tribebook there are no Dog-like Gnawers, despite how popular this seems to be), the Grondr or Apis could not breed with cattle or pigs, no matter how feral.

                        Of course, this all is a moot point if the ST wishes them to, which seems to be the case here. But as long as we're talking about what's in the books, then domestication seems to fundamentally change an animal to where it no longer is capable of producing Fera.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lubricus View Post
                          My advise is not to think too hard on what species some animal is, but instead think about whether that animal fits with the role Gaia has created for its relevant kind of Fera.
                          I once joked about the Bunyip reemerging from Tasmanian Devils, the Image of Taz from Looney Toons made it very difficult to imagine anyone taking them seriously.

                          Originally posted by HOD View Post
                          Of course, this all is a moot point if the ST wishes them to, which seems to be the case here. But as long as we're talking about what's in the books, then domestication seems to fundamentally change an animal to where it no longer is capable of producing Fera.
                          I completely agree, Cattle and Pigs as seen on the barn yard have lost something primal that seems to be needed by the fera spiritually, but they are not the only members of their species. As far as Apis go there are Bison, Gaur, and Bentang which do have some levels of domestication but still have naturally wild populations. As for Grondr, there are Warthogs, Wild Boars, 2 species of Babirusa. So just for the sake of discussion, while the progenitor species for which the Apis and Grondr most likely came from is no longer exist, I don't see why these descendant species wouldn't be suitable mates.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by HOD View Post
                            (and no, we've been over this before, per the revised Tribebook there are no Dog-like Gnawers, despite how popular this seems to be), the Grondr or Apis could not breed with cattle or pigs, no matter how feral.
                            This was my point.

                            And it took me a very long time to get over the Garou can’t be dogs thing, because dogs are so freaking awesome. (You’d never guess I felt that way by my picture). I used to use a house rule where Bone Gnawers were mutts and Glass Walkers were purebred dogs because dogs are cool and ten thousand years of wolves being in cities with no one noticing made no sense to me. But I got better.


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by HOD View Post
                              (and no, we've been over this before, per the revised Tribebook there are no Dog-like Gnawers, despite how popular this seems to be)
                              Some times ago, I found somewhere on the net a fan-made splat of circa-Garou born from a pack of Bone Gnawers, lots of alcohol, a chihuahua breeding farm and a really boring night.
                              I laughed really hard.


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