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  • oh on the "keep noise from leaving immediate area"

    how high a gnosis talen would that be?

    6, 7, 8?

    idea is if it just silences them they know no one will hear them, and will react accordingly.

    having someone expect the cavalry, that isnt coming... is far more insiduous...

    lasts for say a scene?

    should their be any resisted roll?

    doesnt just work for the bit with the SAD agent, but also for roughing up people from Pentex or DNA , or ambushing a first team quietly.

    Oh another thing just thought of?

    Is it safe to say, that SAD will not understand gifts, are powers not every werewolf knows, when an SAD agent has a Revolver loaded with silver bullets and expects it to put him in a stronger position so he can "Negotiate" with a pack all smug and self confident...

    a member of the pack uses "Jam Technolagy"

    and he finds his gun no longer working

    if he survived is it safe to say that would set off alarms throughout the SAD.

    they dont know the powers range, or that all werewolves dont have it...
    I could see the degree of fear they'd Feel

    Oh another idea?

    how do you think the SAD will react, to finding a part of the government is a supernatural, or has one as a close patron?

    It said the put members of the law enforcement, on a watch list, if they seem informed, and do everthing from arrest, to to assasinate, to recruit.

    But a garou or kinfolk who's the local mayor, will probaly attract notice.
    Last edited by Prince of the Night; 09-13-2017, 08:02 PM.


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    • Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

      Hunter's Hunted 2 had a setup where RICO was not in place in the WoD, explicitly to explain why there were so many organized crime factions among the choices for player characters.
      ​I had not heard about the RICO thing, so initially I had assumed that it was canon, but...

      ​On page 55 of the Glass Walkers Tribebook, RICO is specifically mentioned as a contributing factor in the decline of The Wise Guys camp (presumably making the more mundane activities of the group's Kinfolk increasingly difficult). It is again mentioned in passing on page 63.

      Probably another case of authors not being on the same page (so to speak), but it does not appear to be canon. I would also add that HH2 is it's own thing to a degree, while Glass Walkers is specifically focused on Werewolf.


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      • Originally posted by Uniform Two Six View Post

        ​I had not heard about the RICO thing, so initially I had assumed that it was canon, but...

        ​On page 55 of the Glass Walkers Tribebook, RICO is specifically mentioned as a contributing factor in the decline of The Wise Guys camp (presumably making the more mundane activities of the group's Kinfolk increasingly difficult). It is again mentioned in passing on page 63.

        Probably another case of authors not being on the same page (so to speak), but it does not appear to be canon. I would also add that HH2 is it's own thing to a degree, while Glass Walkers is specifically focused on Werewolf.
        Price a product pays for being so old and having so many authors.


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        • on the thing about shutting down the virginia retreat, and Tabloids, is it reasonable That the FBI might well still do so even if confronted with irrefutable evidence of the supernatural. (Thought that should be adressed)

          As "Across Decades, youve only gathered so much info, captured no supernaturals alive... and Para CointelPro's never resulted in anything but the mysterious disappearance of Perfectly ggood agents., the Supernaturals are alerted to efforts to investigate them, They may try to steer the government in a direction in their favour, but will try to keep it afloat." Sighs shaking his head "I know its not ideal, but its better then an all out war, that could open a pandoras box that would never be closed"

          (sound about right)
          Last edited by Prince of the Night; 10-12-2017, 06:50 PM.


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          • Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
            on the thing about shutting down the virginia retreat, and Tabloids, is it reasonable That the FBI might well still do so even if confronted with irrefutable evidence of the supernatural.
            ​Entirely reasonable. Remember that government agencies like the FBI (particularly high-profile ones) are creatures of politics. The lifeblood of such agencies is funding -- and funding is determined by publicity (both good and bad). From the very beginning with J. Edgar Hoover in the 20s, the FBI (in many cases) prioritized the cases it pursued based on how it would reflect upon the Bureau (the Lindbergh Kidnapping comes to mind). Now, not all of their caseload has this sort of issue. I know a guy who just recently joined up with the FBI. He went to work for the Trademark Enforcement Unit -- which I had never heard of until he mentioned it. Stuff like that probably remains the least politicized (precisely because nobody has ever hear of it and wouldn't particularly care one way or the other if they did). But if it's going to go against the grain, the Bureau has a history of dragging it's feet (Hoover rather famously refused to allow the FBI to get involved in investigating liquor smuggling back in the 20s at one point because the Volstead Act was so universally unpopular). They instead focused on kidnappers, organized crime, communists, and eventually terrorists in large measure because they were (and remain) unambiguously The Bad Guys.

            ​If, however, something is weird and could potentially make the Bureau look silly in the public eye, that can also cause them to withdraw to an extent. A perfect example (given that we're discussing the fictional SAD becoming an embarrassment) is the issue of "Skinwalker" murders. Homicides on Indian reservations fall under the jurisdiction of the FBI, and (even in the 21st century) on the Navajo Reservation, people still get shot or stabbed to death over allegations of witchcraft (usually with other -- more mundane motives involved as well). The Navajo Tribal Police (reputedly) keep an ear out for loose talk of "Skinwalkers" since that sort of thing can presage murders or assaults. The FBI (which again, is required to investigate this sort of thing under Federal law whenever somebody winds up dead), has been alleged to try to minimize its involvement in such cases precisely because establishing motive starts to make them sound like something out of a Tony Hillerman novel.


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            • one other thing, Ideas how Para CointelPro's would go about trying to infiltrate supernatural groups? Obviously, they dids o poorly, or they wouldnt have all "disappeared"

              (shouldnt "Vanishing" FBI agents give them grounds for criminal investigations?)
              Last edited by Prince of the Night; 10-13-2017, 11:57 AM.


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              • Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
                one other thing, Ideas how Para CointelPro's would go about trying to infiltrate supernatural groups? Obviously, they dids o poorly, or they wouldnt have all "disappeared"
                Well, the obvious answer would be to get an agent Embraced. That would probably not work out all that well for various reasons. The next best option (actually probably better) would be to try to infiltrate the ghouls -- which would also probably not work out all that well. Assimilation surveillance of the vampires would probably not have any great options. The werewolves would be even harder (if that's possible). Obviously, infiltrating the tribes directly is a flat impossibility. The only really viable option would be to infiltrate the Kinfolk, but even then you've got to figure out how to deal with the Delerium issues. Even if you could solve that little problem, you still have a catch-twenty two thing that the Kin have a rather unique set of cultural quirks -- which you're not going to know about in advance. Finally, even if you could pull all that off, the Garou to a great degree keep their Kin largely in the dark about a whole bunch of fairly important stuff anyway, so a successful operation will still yield very little.

                I don't see how it would work.


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                • I was just trying to imagine how spectacularly it failed.

                  Remember the old Para Cointelpro's they didnt even know that kinfolk EXISTED

                  they might upon learning of their existence tenatively consider ressurecting the program.

                  As mimicking shapeshifting is impossible...


                  And any agents outed will either be torn apart to shreds, or subjected to various social gifts so that... who knows what treachery has been programmed into them.

                  I asked on gifts or disciplines earlier, the SAD wont know that their effects that need to be learned so they see a gift like J am technolagy in action will assume any werewolf can do it.



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                  • oh a question, on SAD working with other hunter's is it probaly easyiest for them to on record be "Infiltrating" their cell, even if after a bit they decide the 'militia' is essentialy harmless , but decide to 'keep them under indefinite observation, just to be sure' and file the occasional token report

                    think some in the SAD would approve of that approach?


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                    • A question on HH2?

                      idea's how SAD can justify working with other hunter's?

                      say "were infiltrating these 'potentialy dangerous' Radical's" IIndefinitely?

                      And high ups let it pass with a wink and a nudge?


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