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  • IanWatson
    started a topic Wraith20 Backer Errata Thread

    Wraith20 Backer Errata Thread

    Please put your errata here. Please note this is for errata -- typos, numerical errors, missing text, text blocked by images, etc.

    Wraith20 discussion should go elsewhere. This thread is errata-only.

  • Prince of the Night
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    page 371

    isencouraged should be 2 words.

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  • tasti man LH
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    P. 235 The bullet point for "Dark Passions" is missing, making it inconsistent with the "Arcanoi", "Shadow Dice", and "Storyteller Discretion" sections.

    "Roleplaying scenes in which a character confronts doubts, fears, or external dangers may warrant “awarding” a point of temporary Angst to the character by the Storytellcr."

    Misspelling of "Storyteller".
    Last edited by tasti man LH; 03-20-2018, 02:21 AM.

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  • tasti man LH
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    p. 219 "If the Usurer uses Arcanos Conduit on an unwilling subject, the roll to activate this art becomes a resisted Charisma + Usury roll against the target’s Willpower."

    Unclear if the sentence is suggesting that the target's Willpower is the Difficulty TN, or if the target is rolling their permanent Willpower against the Usurer's roll. If the latter, the no Difficulty TN is listed for the target to roll against.

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  • tasti man LH
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    p 210 "The Sandman must have three dots in Phantasm to do this to wraiths, Spectres, and most other Underworld denizens, and four dots to use Dream Sequence against Skinlands entities."

    This section of the sentence suggests that 4 dots of Phantasm are needed to use Dream Sequence on anyone living in the Skinlands, except it's not. Revise to mention that it's referring to supernatural creatures living in the Skinlands. Suggested fix would be:

    "The Sandman must have three dots in Phantasm to do this to wraiths, Spectres, and most other Underworld denizens, and four dots to use Dream Sequence against supernatural Skinlands entities."

    "...the target may resist with an opposed Intelligence + Subterfuge roll."

    "...and the number of successes anyone who sees it needs to achieve on a Perception + Awareness roll to resist its effects."

    "...he gets to make another Perception + Awareness roll to see through it."


    p. 211 "...and the number of successes anyone who sees it needs to achieve on a Wits + Awareness roll to resist its effects."

    p. 213 "Puppetry Systems:...Any nonconsensual use of the art allows the subject to resist with his Willpower."

    p. 214 "Simulate the symptoms of one particular illness unless an observer succeeds in an opposed Perception + Medicine roll."

    "Once per scene, the host may spend 1 Willpower to make an opposed Willpower roll against the wraith’s Stamina + Puppetry."

    p. 215 "If any Consorts want to resist Legion, the Storyteller makes a single roll for all of them, using the highest Willpower among the resisting characters."

    No Difficulty TN is given for the defender's resistance roll.
    Last edited by tasti man LH; 03-18-2018, 12:26 AM.

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  • Callishka
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    Necropolis: A citadel of the dead, usually manned by the Legions. Often found in the oldest parts of a city or the ones most thickly populated by wraiths. Plural is Necropoli (22)
    Necropoli
    A Necropolis is the standard term for a Hierarchy outpost in the Shadowlands, usually overlaying some mortal city or other. (61)
    These two definitions are in conflict.

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  • nothing
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    Page 348 makes reference to Discern Weakness and Sense Health, both listed as Deathsight powers, but no list of Deathsight powers (or any rules for Life/Deathsight) exists in the book.

    Cheers!

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  • fspardoner
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    It is not exactly a typo, for there is no mistake per se, but I see it as an omission to be supplied.

    In the 20th editions of Vampire and Werewolf, a table was presented for advanced characters (V20, p.79 + Rage Across the World, p.6). On M20 and C20, I could not find them.

    Could we have a table like this in Wr20th?

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  • tasti man LH
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    p. 190 "Any involuntary use of Mnemosynis is a resisted roll against the target’s Willpower."

    p. 192 "If this is involuntary, the Mnemos’ Shadow gains 1 temporary Angst."

    "Involuntary use gives the Mnemos’ Shadow 2 more temporary Angst."

    p. 193 "This gives the Mnemos’ Shadow 2 temporary Angst in addition to any other gains, even if this application of the art is voluntary."

    The way how these sentences are phrased suggests that the Mnemoi themselves are the involuntary users, when that's obviously not the case. That the write-ups are referring to the targets as being involuntary. Perhaps rephrase it to stuff like the following:

    "Any use of Mnemosynis on an involuntary target is a resisted roll against the target’s Willpower."

    "If this is used on an involuntary target, the Mnemos’ Shadow gains 1 temporary Angst."

    "Use on an involuntary target gives the Mnemos’ Shadow 2 more temporary Angst."

    "This gives the Mnemos’ Shadow 2 temporary Angst in addition to any other gains, even if this application of the art is used on a voluntary target."

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  • Ramnesis
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    Reading through the legions section again, there seem to be some issues with plurals. Sometimes 'Legions' seems to refer to the big 'L' legions (the Grim Legion, the Emerald Legion, etc), As in pg 75: "Those who bear more than one deathmark or who can legitimately belong to more than one Legion fall into these ranks, particularly when a squabble over their assignment would bring other Legions to blows." Sometimes it refers to all of the legions within a single Legion. Also from page 75: "This practical anonymity allows all the Legions of the Beggar Lord to do what they do best."

    So when on page 74 it says that Skeletal Legion constables have a mission to police the Legions, I don't know if that means that they police the Skeletal legions or they can investigate the legions of other Deathlords too.

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  • fspardoner
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    (Castigate) System: The player rolls the Pardoner’s Charisma + Castigate (difficulty of the target wraith’s permanent Angst rating; the target wraith may spend Willpower to improve this roll). Each success reduces the Shadow’s temporary Angst by 1, but also causes 1 Corpus level of damage to the target wraith. Furthermore, the Pardoner gains 1 temporary Angst for each “1” rolled on the Charisma + Castigate roll.

    What kind of damage?


    (Embody) "The player may substitute the character’s Manipulation score for his Appearance while manifested."

    Since the wraith will be more attractive, would not it be the opposite? Replacing Appearance by the level of Manipulation, which tends to be higher due to the test used in this power.
    Last edited by fspardoner; 03-08-2018, 08:49 PM. Reason: Update

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  • Phaolan
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    ...And finally, know that every time you use the word "alternately" it is wrong. You mean "alternatively" in each case, but ALSO know these two facts:

    1. In North American usage, the two words ARE roughly the same, but it STILL bugs me because...
    2. I didn't know this difference until relatively recently.

    This all comes together to be one of those "nobody hates a smoker more than an EX-smoker" kind of thing. I see that wrong use of "alternately" in just about everything I've ever written, and that fact that I'm applying that same "high standard" (you mileage may vary) to you? Well, that means I think the world of you, RichD!

    Seriously, though... change it to "alternatively" in here!

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  • Phaolan
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    …same – “knowledge of imperial decrees” should be capitalized “Imperial”
    p 439, first column, first paragraph under The Immortal Guard – “force within the empire” should be capitalized “Empire”
    …same – “best of the emperor’s soldiers” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    p 439, first full para of second column – “The Emperor’s Chains” should read “the Chains of the Emperor” (both to fix the capitalization of “The” AND to match the name of the Arcanos from elsewhere)
    p 439, second full para of second column – “Only the emperor” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    …same – “at the imperial palace” could be better as “Imperial Palace” OR even more better as “Jade Palace”
    p 439, last para of second column – “White Jade for the empire’s needs” should be capitalized “Empire’s”
    p 440, first column, paragraph under Ti Yu – “Set up by the emperor” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    p 440, first full para of second column (below the sidebar) – “throughout the empire” should be capitalized “Empire”
    p 440, second column, under Lexicon, entry for “Feng Tu” – “the hell created by the emperor” would be better as “Jade Emperor”
    p 440, second column, under Lexicon, entry for “Immortal Guard” – “The emperor’s elite troops” would be better as “Jade Emperor’s”
    ..same – “soldiers buried with the emperor” would be better as “Emperor”
    p 440, second column, under Lexicon, entry for “Jade Palace” – “The emperor’s massive home” would be better as “Jade Emperor’s”
    p 444, second column, second para under The Heavenly Regent of Indra – “he visits his citadels” should be capitalized “Citadels”
    p 448, first full para of second column – “waged brutal wars amongst” should be “among”
    p 450, first para of first column – “the houses argued amongst” should be “among”
    p 451, second full para of first column – “Newly reaped wraiths” should be capitalized “Reaped”
    p 452, third full para of first column – “the morning star who guided the sun” should be capitalized as “Morning Star” to match how you describe his opposite with capitalized “Evening Star”
    p 452, fifth para of second column – “Beyond the facade” should be “façade” (with the French “squiggle” that all other instances of this word have in the book)
    p 457, first column under Cosmology – you may want to offset the list of what constitutes the Invisible; perhaps like this: “is made up of the Mirrorlands (the Shadowlands of the Caribbean) and the Abyss (the Tempest)”
    p 457, second para under Arcanoi in second column – the paragraph suddenly ends with “Doing so” which leads me to believe there may be systems that aren’t there?
    p 458, second para of first column – “only to the Emperor’s Immortal Guard” should be capitalized “Emperor’s”
    p 458, second column, first paragraph under Filial Duty – BOTH of these paragraphs say the same thing in different words… Is it a case of first draft and second draft BOTH being there?
    p 459, first para of first column – “Imperial Government, The Emperor’s Servant” should have a lowercase “the Emperor’s Servant”
    p 459, last para of first column – “same for Shape True Jade” should not be in bold to match other such references
    p 459, second column, first paragraph under Rework Relic – again this and the following paragraph say the same thing in different words…
    p 459, second column, second paragraph under Empower Jade – the line “another Pathos for the level of Arcanos” would make more sense as “Pathos per level” I think…
    p 460, first para of first column – “knack for reaping” should be “Reaping” in capital, even if it IS referring to horrid kuei
    p 460, second column, the “Two Successes” line under Cowing the Bestial Spirit – “advance towards” should be “toward”
    p 461, first column, first paragraph under Returning the Favor – another instance of two consecutive paragraphs that say the same thing in different words…
    p 461, first column, first paragraph under Mint Money – another instance of two consecutive paragraphs that say the same thing in different words…
    p 461, second column, second paragraph under Coax – “rollWay of the Soul” needs a space
    p 462, first column, first paragraph under Chains of the Emperor – “Created by the emperor himself” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    p 462, first column, first paragraph under Brilliance – yet another instance of two consecutive paragraphs that say the same thing in different words…
    p 462, first para of second column – needs a period at the end after “Guardsman”
    p 463, first para of first column – “in Swar, the Arcanos’ chief use” uses the earlier edition name for the Dark Kingdom, which isn’t WRONG so much as confusing…
    p 463, second para of first column – “has no treaties with Swar” again is the older version name
    p 465, last paragraph break of first column – need to fix break between “with their heartlife, the” and “imbued connection”
    p 466, last full para of first column – the discussion of how an African wraith’s four-part soul will mutate into that of a Western wraith’s is ONLY mentioned here… perhaps you can add something under “The Four-Part Soul” that starts on page 452?
    pp 446 – 467 – it might be helpful to add “(Right Hand)” to the name of the arts of Scry and Divine and “(Left Hand)” to those of Twitch and Murmur, if for no reason other than easy reference
    p 469, fourth para of first column – “walk amongst the dead” should be “among”
    pp 469 – 470, under Glossary – don’t put cross references in bold, as you don’t to this in any other glossary in the book:
    Pigment (under “Black Heroin”)
    spooks (under “Ghost”)
    projectors (under “Meat, the”)
    skimmers and sleepers (both under “Projector”)
    p 469, second column after “Networking” – “Pathos amongst a crucible” should be “among”
    p 469, second column after “Pigment” – “popularity amongst casual drug users” should be “among”
    p 473, third para of sidebar in first column – “believe there’s no danger Oblivion’s monstrous servants” would be better as: “no danger that Oblivion’s”
    p 473, first para of second column – “skimmers tended towards” should be “toward”
    p 474, second para of second column (below the sidebar) – “their satellite citadels” should be capitalized “Citadels”
    …same – “encounter a wraith guildmember” should be capitalized “Guildmember”
    p 477, last para of second column – “a predilection towards” should be “toward”
    p 479, last para of first column – in parenthetical, “be spent towards restoring” should be “toward”
    p 480, last full para of first column – “While in suspension, the sleeper cannot recover Pathos” doesn’t make full sense… is the state of “suspension” the points between that of projecting and full life – the five hours of fluid exchange? If so, this makes sense…
    p 480, last (partial) para of first column – “different Characteristic Templates, or Shades” should have that last word NOT in bold BUT in italics, “Shades
    p 481, first column, paragraph under Haunter – “Driven towards” should be “toward”
    …same – “a predilection towards” should be “toward”
    p 481, second column, paragraph under Wisp – “their tendency towards” should be “toward”
    p 481, second column, under Marrow – the Arcanos listed after “Prohibited” reads: “Sandman” when it SHOULD read “Phantasm”
    p 482, second para of first column (below the sidebar) – “they tend towards” should be “toward”
    p 482, second column, after “Haunter” – “duration of another Arcanoi” should be singular “Arcanos”
    p 483, first para of first column – “manifest immediately afterwards” should be “afterward”
    p 483, third para of first column – “difficulties amongst Spectres” should be “among”
    p 485, first para of first column – “hues tend towards” should be “toward”
    p 485, last para of first column – “Thorns tend towards” should be “toward”
    p 486, third heading of sidebar in first column – “Shadow Creation” should be in bold
    p 486, first para of second column – “gravitating towards” should be “toward”
    …same – “edging towards” should be “toward”
    p 487, first para of first column – “loses a point of Willpower and take a level” should be “takes”
    p 489, last para of first column – “focus the game towards the Skinlands” should be “toward”
    …same – “modus operandi” should be in italics
    p 489, first para of second column (below the sidebar) – “modus vivendi” should be in italics

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  • Phaolan
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    p 322, second column, paragraph starting with Hacking – “being hacked:difficulty” needs a space
    p 352, second column, first para under Larceny – “each use strengthens every Spectre’s worst enemy: the Psyche” is NOT quite borne out in the Dark Arcanos’ write up; only the LAST two arts say they give Pathos, which does not translate as “each use”
    p 355, second para of first column – in parenthetical “bestowing a basic ability costs 3 Angst points” is incorrect… you got rid of Arcanoi basic abilities in this edition
    p 357, second column, paragraph under Tempest Weaving – “eavesdrop through a Nihil to overhear…” WAS basic ability of this Dark Arcanos, but now those are gone; maybe add a line about this being possible with the Wormhole art?
    p 366, first full para of first column – “all existence, – starting with” needs EITHER comma or dash, not both
    p 366, second column under Horror – the first paragraph break between “from the” and “knowledge” needs fixing
    p 367, third para of second column – “disillusionment amongst mortals” should be “among”
    p 368, second column after “A-Viking” – the paragraph break between “on a minor” and “Maelstrom” needs fixed
    p 370, second para of sidebar in second column – “treacherous Spectrecharacter” needs a space
    p 370, third para of sidebar – “is working towards” should be “toward”
    p 370, fourth para of sidebar – the quote “I was just roleplaying my character” would be better with an exclamation point at the end…
    p 371, first full para of second column – “she isencouraged to discuss” needs a space
    p 372, fifth full para of first column – “plot thread amongst” should be “among”
    p 374, first para under Doppelgangers in first column – “respect amongst” should be “among”
    p 374, first bullet-point under Shades in second column – “Y;ou may allocate” needs fixed
    p 374, second para under Malfeans in second column – the indent of the line starting “modifications” needs fixed
    p 375, first para under Backgrounds in first column – “Sspectres” is misspelled
    p 375, sidebar in second column – I wonder why those two new Background don’t have any text explaining them as Backgrounds before their ratings… this might be a small thing as I CAN figure it out
    p 377, the “chart” in first column under Freebie Points – you can remove that line for “Arcanos Basic Ability” since those are no longer part of Wraith (a decision I think I like, btw)
    p 378, sidebar in first column – “mean they’re pursue it” should be “they’d pursue”
    p 387, first para of second column – “gravitate more towards” should be “toward”
    p 393, fourth para of first column – “strive towards” should be “toward”
    …same – “endlessly towards” should be “toward”
    p 395, fourth para in sidebar of first column – “dice in Endurance” doesn’t make sense (either in Vampire or Wraith terms); should it be “Stamina” instead?
    p 408, first para of first column – there should be semicolons between the group names, thus: “view all wraiths as damned; the Redentori, who see them as lost souls who need guidance to the next life; and the Isolatori
    p 408, fifth para of first column – “tipping more towards” should be “toward”
    p 409, first full para of first column – the quote “spirt nuke” should have the period inside the quotes
    p 409, sidebar in second column – abruptly ends with “raised to 8.Other Awakened” (lack of space is the least of worries here…)
    p 410, second full para of first column – “that arc most similar” should be “are most”
    p 410, first column paragraph under Neonates – could use the “i.e. sloppy and brutal” as a parenthetical rather than offset by commas…
    p 410, first column paragraph under Elders – “stage arc called” should be “are called”
    p 411, first column after “Equipment” – add “skull of ancestor” maybe? Look, this is not so much errata as a note that you do not show the Giovanni as NEARLY as horrid to ghosts as you can…
    p 412, third full paragraph under Mages of second column – “Paradox is always one mistake away” would be better as “only one mistake” for both stylistic and game reasons…
    p 415, first full para of first column – “changeling cantrips arc less about” should be “are less”
    p 417, third para under Pandemonium of first column – “practitioners of Temporis are rare” kind of flies in the face of Vampire saying that the bulk of True Brujah are members of the Tal’Mahe’Ra, a Sect that holds a major stronghold (Enoch) in the Tempest…
    p 417, second cull para (under Puppetry) of second column – “the two Disciplines can work together” should be “the Arcanos and Discipline”
    p 418, first para of first column – “there are the Wyrd” should be lowercase “wyrd” to match the rest of the paragraph
    p 425, second full para of first column – “the oak handle. appears” needs the period and spacing fixed…
    p 434, first para of second column – “Jade reapers securely control” should be capitalized “Reapers”
    …same – “Jade reapers can be found” should be capitalized “Reapers”
    …same – “as the emperor extends” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    NOTE: The rest of this chapter has a LOT of suggestions like the above, based on the fact that Yu Huang it the Jade Emperor, his Yellow Springs is the Jade Empire… Charon is not the Emperor of Stygia as any official title, so I didn’t feel a need to do the same with any similar words earlier in the text.
    p 435, first full para of second column (below the sidebar) – “The emperor’s Jade Palace” should be capitalized “Emperor’s”
    …same – “Here the emperor” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    p 435, second full para of second column (below the sidebar) – “drawn to the emperor” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    …same – “as can the emperor’s” should be capitalized “Emperor’s”
    …same – “bend the emperor’s” should be capitalized “Emperor’s”
    p 435, third full para of second column (below the sidebar) – “Yu Huang is the emperor” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    ...same – “the empire cannot” should be capitalized “Empire”
    …same – “and the emperor’s time” should be capitalized “Emperor’s”
    p 435, fourth full para of second column (below the sidebar) – “ears and eyes of the emperor” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    …same – “weight of the empire” should be capitalized “Empire”
    p 435, fifth full para of second column (below the sidebar) – “laws of the empire” should be capitalized “Empire”
    p 435, last para of second column (below the sidebar) – “every wraith in the empire” should be capitalized “Empire”
    p 436, first para of first column – “enacting the emperor’s will” should be capitalized “Emperor’s”
    …same – “the imperial army” should be capitalized “Imperial Army” (even more important than all the other pedantic ones I have for this chapter)
    p 436, second para of first column – “new wraiths reaped” should be capitalized “Reaped”
    …same – “who enters the empire” should be capitalized “Empire”
    p 436, third para of first column – “it is weighted towards” should be “toward”
    p 436, first para of second column – “smoke rising towards” should be “toward”
    p 437, first para of first column – “made Shihuang’s empire” would be better at “Qin’s empire” (not capitalized, BUT with his name rather than title…)
    p 437, sidebar in second column – “opposed the emperor” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    …same – “it lured the emperor” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    …same – “The emperor, armed with” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    …same – “The, the emperor” should be capitalized “Emperor”
    p 438, third full para of first column – “The empire finds itself” should be capitalized “Empire”
    …same – “size of the empire” should be capitalized “Empire”
    …same – “means the emperor’s forces” should be capitalized “Emperor’s”
    …same – “Meanwhile, the empire’s demand” should be capitalized “Empire’s”
    p 439, first column, first paragraph under Eunuchs – “knowledge of the empire” should be capitalized “Empire

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  • Phaolan
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    I'll post the last of it tomorrow... Great book, don't get me wrong!

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