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    What happens when a Specter loses a Fetter (say, because it is destroyed in the Skinlands)? It doesn't go through a Harrowing, as that would be pointless... Does it lose Being/Willpower? Corpus?

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    I don't think it does anything like that to them. At a certain point Spectres have to deliberately destroy their own Fetters to advance in the spectral hierarchy. Of course, given the nature of Spectres it is entirely possible they'd still do this even if it significantly harmed them. I suppose Corpus loss might make sense, but there's a spectral Arcanos to steal Corpus levels from other Spectres, so I'm not sure how big a downside that is*.

    *Which is to say, of every hundred Spectres that go through this stage of existence, 99 fall to Oblivion soon thereafter and only 1 manages to exist onward to Nephwrack, Hekatonkhire, and Onceborn status. But insane attrition rates are par for the course in the Labyrinth.


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    • #3
      Spectres actually do go through Harrowings - but their Harrowings are of a much different nature. In them, Spectres divest themselves of the things that make them human and cleave ever closer to the allegiance of Oblivion. Rather than trying to reconcile the Psyche and Shadow as Wraiths do, Spectres attempt to demolish their Being and become wholly Shadow-eaten.

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      • #4
        In which book can I read more about spectral Harrowings?

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        • #5
          If it's anywhere, it's going to be in Spectres: Dark Reflections.

          Doomslayers Into the Labyrinth is also a great Spectre resource, but I don't remember it making more than passing reference to Spectre Fetters.


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          • #6
            Found it on p 118 of doomslayers

            A spectre that loses a fetter is given over to cartharsis for a whole day. It does *not* suffer a harrowing.

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            • #7
              It seems I was incorrect - I must be conflating my games again (like I did with Rifts and Vampire a while ago).

              Is it when they become Nephwracks that they suffer Harrowings, or am I just making things up now?

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              Edit: Of course they suffer Harrowings when they become Nephwracks, since Nephwracks are the Spectre caste that start out as Wraiths and then become Shadow-eaten. I had to go home and look that up. It appears I do not recall as much as I though I did.
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              • #8
                Actually, Dopplegangers are Specters that were Wraiths. Some Dopplegangers do become Nephwracks, but Mortwights (those that become Specter immediately upon death) do as well, although more rarely.

                I don't think Specters have Harrowings at all, since those are directed by the Shadow, and Specters do not have Shadows.

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                • #9
                  IIRC, Spectres don't have Harrowings. At all. It's part of the "live hard, die fast" thing they have going on. Conditions that would lead to a Wraith's Harrowing end with Catharsis (most conditions) or Oblivion (loss of all Corpus levels).


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                  • #10
                    ideas what a Spectres Psyche will do with a whole day in Catharasis?

                    A Spectre harrowing directed by the psyche, might be interesting...

                    A picture I've had in my head for a while is a Spectre whos Composure reaches 10 his redemption might involve a Meeting with his psyche that echoes the Day he overpowered it... now his psyche has turned the tables...


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                    • #11
                      my troupe, had worked hard to redeem a Spectre of a lost friend (old Character) and as a final stage in the process, we played out a kind of Harrowing that the Psyche crafted for the last bits of the Shadow, it was more so a reverse Harrowing, but it was still fun to play out, and it was a good way to end the process of Spectral Redemption,

                      we even went so far as to craft an Arcanos around the concept, as it was first Alt arts to Castigation, but grew way to far to be part of that Arcanos.
                      I've thought about publishing the work under the new Storytellers Vault

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                      • #12
                        Don't redeemed Spectres that become Wraiths again have heavy markings of their Corpus or something that reveals their former affiliation? Wouldn't that be tough in some Necropoli?

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                        • #13
                          yes for the most part the Corpus is scarred by Oblivion's touch, and permanently lost corpus is lost for the redeemed wraith, and these scars are tell tell signs that mark the redeemed as what they are, and most Spectres see this and attack first and any wraith that knows what those scars are more weary of the wraith, in some books it says that the reborn wraith loses the dark arcanos that it learned as a spectre but we allowed them to keep them, but when a wraith uses any dark Arcanos all dice are treated as shadow dice for the purpose of Angst generation, making the slide back to Spectrehood easier.

                          we also made it a large light show, much like the column of light that transcendence generates, along with a flood of pathos, and angst that is washed away, this is more of an award, for getting the job done, that all involved lose a lot of Angst, because they triumphed against Oblivion. I as the storyteller rolled 2d4 + 4 and that is what all around the epicenter lost in Tmp Angst, the reborn wraith then has to have a entire new Shadow formed, as though it is a new character.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by valismedsen View Post
                            What happens when a Specter loses a Fetter (say, because it is destroyed in the Skinlands)? It doesn't go through a Harrowing, as that would be pointless... Does it lose Being/Willpower? Corpus?
                            Well the labyrinthine is drowning in specters, like literally. You could kind of interpret their existence as a long Harrowing. But losing fetters means you loose access to the shadowlands barring something g special.


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                            • #15
                              Yeah I'd think Fetters are important to Spectres because without them they can't do their operations for long in the Shadowlands. So they'd probably want to keep them safe from destruction as it is rare for castes above Mortright, Strippling, or Doppelganger to have such things.

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