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  • valismedsen
    started a topic Specters and losing Fetters

    Specters and losing Fetters

    What happens when a Specter loses a Fetter (say, because it is destroyed in the Skinlands)? It doesn't go through a Harrowing, as that would be pointless... Does it lose Being/Willpower? Corpus?

  • Ramnesis
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    Originally posted by DeadMan View Post
    the thing that separates Doppelgangers and Nephwracks are the lose of all there fetters, its the in part the reason why the Caste have so much trouble, as the Nephwracks are really just Doppelgangers who lost all there fetters, and or maybe a Mortwright,

    i also think that it depends on the caste as to how much they care about there fetters, Nephwracks don't care as much, because losing them is a status symbol. while Shades with fetters are something to fear, a pack of them in the Shadowlands with no limit on how long they can exist there, that is enough to cause some restless to jump straight into a harrowing.
    While I think the loss of Fetters may be necessary for someone to become a Nephwrack, I don't consider it the dividing line. Nephwracks have spent enough time awash in Oblivion that they are starting to drift into alien territory. Oblivion (though not necessarily their own annihilation) is becoming much more important to them than their old life, their humanity, or even a coherent world view. Losing Fetters is a symptom of that, but not proof of it.

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  • DeadMan
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    the thing that separates Doppelgangers and Nephwracks are the lose of all there fetters, its the in part the reason why the Caste have so much trouble, as the Nephwracks are really just Doppelgangers who lost all there fetters, and or maybe a Mortwright,

    i also think that it depends on the caste as to how much they care about there fetters, Nephwracks don't care as much, because losing them is a status symbol. while Shades with fetters are something to fear, a pack of them in the Shadowlands with no limit on how long they can exist there, that is enough to cause some restless to jump straight into a harrowing.

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  • Callishka
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    Spectres may simultaneously care for and resent their Fetters. They're useful, sure, but if the Spectre is the type who cares what other Spectres think, or plans to rise up in service to Oblivion before the bitter end finally comes, Fetters keep them down.

    It's a truly interesting situation to consider. Perhaps A Doppelgänger has trouble even conceiving of existence without a Fetter, which is part of why they are looked down upon by those closer to the very end of existence

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  • Ramnesis
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    It's best not to think of Passions and Fetters in terms of advantages and disadvantages when considering how the characters approach them. Those issues come second to how the person feels about them. Whatever the Spectre may claim, his Fetters are important to him. He may secretly cherish them, he may despise them, but he can't not care about them. If he did, they wouldn't be Fetters for long.

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  • Shakanaka
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    Yeah I'd think Fetters are important to Spectres because without them they can't do their operations for long in the Shadowlands. So they'd probably want to keep them safe from destruction as it is rare for castes above Mortright, Strippling, or Doppelganger to have such things.

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  • Eldagusto
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    Originally posted by valismedsen View Post
    What happens when a Specter loses a Fetter (say, because it is destroyed in the Skinlands)? It doesn't go through a Harrowing, as that would be pointless... Does it lose Being/Willpower? Corpus?
    Well the labyrinthine is drowning in specters, like literally. You could kind of interpret their existence as a long Harrowing. But losing fetters means you loose access to the shadowlands barring something g special.

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  • DeadMan
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    yes for the most part the Corpus is scarred by Oblivion's touch, and permanently lost corpus is lost for the redeemed wraith, and these scars are tell tell signs that mark the redeemed as what they are, and most Spectres see this and attack first and any wraith that knows what those scars are more weary of the wraith, in some books it says that the reborn wraith loses the dark arcanos that it learned as a spectre but we allowed them to keep them, but when a wraith uses any dark Arcanos all dice are treated as shadow dice for the purpose of Angst generation, making the slide back to Spectrehood easier.

    we also made it a large light show, much like the column of light that transcendence generates, along with a flood of pathos, and angst that is washed away, this is more of an award, for getting the job done, that all involved lose a lot of Angst, because they triumphed against Oblivion. I as the storyteller rolled 2d4 + 4 and that is what all around the epicenter lost in Tmp Angst, the reborn wraith then has to have a entire new Shadow formed, as though it is a new character.
    Last edited by DeadMan; 01-16-2020, 10:03 AM.

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  • Shakanaka
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    Don't redeemed Spectres that become Wraiths again have heavy markings of their Corpus or something that reveals their former affiliation? Wouldn't that be tough in some Necropoli?

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  • DeadMan
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    my troupe, had worked hard to redeem a Spectre of a lost friend (old Character) and as a final stage in the process, we played out a kind of Harrowing that the Psyche crafted for the last bits of the Shadow, it was more so a reverse Harrowing, but it was still fun to play out, and it was a good way to end the process of Spectral Redemption,

    we even went so far as to craft an Arcanos around the concept, as it was first Alt arts to Castigation, but grew way to far to be part of that Arcanos.
    I've thought about publishing the work under the new Storytellers Vault

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  • Prince of the Night
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    ideas what a Spectres Psyche will do with a whole day in Catharasis?

    A Spectre harrowing directed by the psyche, might be interesting...

    A picture I've had in my head for a while is a Spectre whos Composure reaches 10 his redemption might involve a Meeting with his psyche that echoes the Day he overpowered it... now his psyche has turned the tables...

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  • Nazfool
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    IIRC, Spectres don't have Harrowings. At all. It's part of the "live hard, die fast" thing they have going on. Conditions that would lead to a Wraith's Harrowing end with Catharsis (most conditions) or Oblivion (loss of all Corpus levels).

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  • valismedsen
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    Actually, Dopplegangers are Specters that were Wraiths. Some Dopplegangers do become Nephwracks, but Mortwights (those that become Specter immediately upon death) do as well, although more rarely.

    I don't think Specters have Harrowings at all, since those are directed by the Shadow, and Specters do not have Shadows.

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  • nothing
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    It seems I was incorrect - I must be conflating my games again (like I did with Rifts and Vampire a while ago).

    Is it when they become Nephwracks that they suffer Harrowings, or am I just making things up now?

    Cheers!

    Edit: Of course they suffer Harrowings when they become Nephwracks, since Nephwracks are the Spectre caste that start out as Wraiths and then become Shadow-eaten. I had to go home and look that up. It appears I do not recall as much as I though I did.
    Last edited by nothing; 11-12-2015, 12:53 AM.

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  • valismedsen
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    Found it on p 118 of doomslayers

    A spectre that loses a fetter is given over to cartharsis for a whole day. It does *not* suffer a harrowing.

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