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  • How Powerful is a Malfean?

    Seen no clear cut rules for statting up Malfeans, not even the vague hints that Exalted gives for its (Decidedly Mightier) Neverborn

    Any ideas, are shade powers reasonable , lots and lots of Arcanoi anything else... if any of the Wraith books have more info on Malfeans direct me please.
    Last edited by Prince of the Night; 04-13-2016, 05:52 PM.



  • #2
    I think the “best” information can be found in Doomslayers and even that’s pretty vague. I’ve never used them in my games, but my head canon puts the Neverborn right around Exalted Malfeans and the Onceborn on par with the Antediluvians from VtM.

    That’s me. Other players might have different notions. For a more mechanical comparison, Coldheart is stat’d in Ends of Empire; he’s the signature spectre badass and he’s still a Nephwrack. With Malfeans, particularly the Neverborn, they have whatever stats your plot needs them to have.


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Nazfool View Post
      I think the “best” information can be found in Doomslayers and even that’s pretty vague. I’ve never used them in my games, but my head canon puts the Neverborn right around Exalted Malfeans and the Onceborn on par with the Antediluvians from VtM.

      That’s me. Other players might have different notions. For a more mechanical comparison, Coldheart is stat’d in Ends of Empire; he’s the signature spectre badass and he’s still a Nephwrack. With Malfeans, particularly the Neverborn, they have whatever stats your plot needs them to have.
      Exalted hasn't used the term "Malfeans" since 1e ended. It's exclusively been Neverborn for the past 10 years, and they're a pretty direct lifting from Wraith, so there probably isn't much of a need to quibble over how powerful they are; Caine might have a "you lose" on his joke sheet, but the Neverborn have "Caine loses" written on their sheets, and it's deadly serious..

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

        Exalted hasn't used the term "Malfeans" since 1e ended. It's exclusively been Neverborn for the past 10 years, and they're a pretty direct lifting from Wraith, so there probably isn't much of a need to quibble over how powerful they are; Caine might have a "you lose" on his joke sheet, but the Neverborn have "Caine loses" written on their sheets, and it's deadly serious..
        Yep, what Saur said.


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        • #5
          Malfeans are for all purposes gods. Equivalent to the archdukes of Hell and what not. They are plot devices. No need to stat them. They operate at a scale far beyond what PCs operate on.

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          • #6
            I mean, are you just looking for analogies? Because the above posts pretty much sum it up, and remember: Gorool was a minor Malfean, and he was basically described as "Oblivion's Godzilla" (albeit he did eat Charon's Shadow). Malfeans are like Cthulhu, even asleep and dreaming, they're dangerous.

            Collectively, we could probably stat one up for you, but you won't like it. It would have things like being able to, automatically and with no cost, heal 1 level of damage (of any type) every turn while in contact with the Labyrinth (and not one round - each player's turn, including any multiple actions), 300 Health Levels, and the ability to draw out the character's Shadows as separate beings to have them fight. And that's after commanding legions of Spectres.

            And that would probably just be a sleeping minor Onceborn.

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            • #7
              Let's say 10 in the Physical Attributes, 7-10 in all the others (except maybe Appearance), a bunch of Dark Arcanoi at 10, a bunch of regular Arcanoi at 7-10, Being 10, Dark Passions at 10, Angst points at 50 or so, a whole raft of Shade powers, the ability to 'diablerise' other wraiths to steal their Corpus, Pathos, Angst and Willpower, and command of legions of spectres via the Hive-Mind.

              EDIT: This is for a minor Onceborn only. Malfeans are gods.
              Last edited by adambeyoncelowe; 04-14-2016, 05:52 PM.

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              • #8
                Here's an old article on designing Malfeans from Ex Libris Nocturnis: http://web.archive.org/web/200411232...401/page1.html

                There's also another thread on this here: http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/m...gning-malfeans

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                • #9
                  As far as the Neverborn are concerned, we are talking about creatures that crawled out of Oblivion and want to go back. They're not killable; if they were they would be gone by now. Unlike the Onceborn, they don't have strange twisted obsessions that keep them going despite the pull of Oblivion, they just can't leave. To the extent that they have stats as all, they represent their momentary attention and what it takes to make them give up in this one instant. No real measure of their power should exist because the Neverborn are playing by an entirely different set of rules.

                  Also, Gorool wasn't a minor Malfean, it was a Neverborn. It might have been a minor Neverborn, but even the weakest Neverborn outstrips the strongest Onceborn.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ramnesis View Post
                    As far as the Neverborn are concerned, we are talking about creatures that crawled out of Oblivion and want to go back. They're not killable; if they were they would be gone by now. Unlike the Onceborn, they don't have strange twisted obsessions that keep them going despite the pull of Oblivion, they just can't leave. To the extent that they have stats as all, they represent their momentary attention and what it takes to make them give up in this one instant. No real measure of their power should exist because the Neverborn are playing by an entirely different set of rules.

                    Also, Gorool wasn't a minor Malfean, it was a Neverborn. It might have been a minor Neverborn, but even the weakest Neverborn outstrips the strongest Onceborn.
                    I thought it was (perhaps ret-conned) cannon that Gorool was Charon's Pasiphae... although that might have been an unreliable narrator's theory.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Laughing Stranger View Post
                      I thought it was (perhaps ret-conned) cannon that Gorool was Charon's Pasiphae... although that might have been an unreliable narrator's theory.
                      According to Guildbook: Pardoners and Puppeteers, Charon's Shadow was Gorool's animating force; Doomslayers explains that's because Gorool ate Charon's separated Shadow.

                      Doomslayers also says Gorool was the mightiest of the Neverborn.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Laughing Stranger View Post

                        I thought it was (perhaps ret-conned) cannon that Gorool was Charon's Pasiphae... although that might have been an unreliable narrator's theory.
                        There was some contradictions in some of the books. I believe the fix was that Gorool was a Neverborn who absorbed Charon's Pasiphae.

                        Edit: Ninja'd.


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                        • #13
                          Ah. Well that's clear as mud. Sounds about right for Wraith :P

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                          • #14
                            Gorool's an interesting case - originally, he's just labeled a Malfean, since the Neverborn/Onceborn distinction wasn't solidified. Then he's alluded to be Charon's Shadow, after having wandered the Labyrinth for eons (specifically not his Pasiphae, as it wasn't the Ritual of Severance). Finally, he's labeled a primordial Neverborn who consumed Charon's Shadow, which explains why he beeline'd straight for the Onyx Tower. The narrator in Doomslayers says Gorool was the mightiest of the Malfeans, but elsewhere the Lady of Fate calls him a minor Neverborn.

                            It's... very White Wolf.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by nothing View Post
                              Gorool's an interesting case - originally, he's just labeled a Malfean, since the Neverborn/Onceborn distinction wasn't solidified. Then he's alluded to be Charon's Shadow, after having wandered the Labyrinth for eons (specifically not his Pasiphae, as it wasn't the Ritual of Severance). Finally, he's labeled a primordial Neverborn who consumed Charon's Shadow, which explains why he beeline'd straight for the Onyx Tower. The narrator in Doomslayers says Gorool was the mightiest of the Malfeans, but elsewhere the Lady of Fate calls him a minor Neverborn.

                              It's... very White Wolf.

                              Cheers!
                              According to Pardoners, Charon and his Shadow weren't separated that long - the severance happened sometime in World War 2.


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