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  • Sam Haights Final fate, what gives.

    I get hes got a MASSIVE hatedom, but he is vastly experienced scholar, has accomplished great, if terrible things.

    was it just to amuse his massive hatedom he was smelted into an ASHTRAY.

    or their a reason you can see for him to not be recruited into the legions of stygia.



  • #2
    Well, it's _which_ Legion grabbed him - which in Haight's case was the Grim Legion, the victims of Violence. The Grim aren't interested in whether someone could be of use as a wraith to them, they're interested in delivering vengeance to murderers.

    (This attitude has caused tensions between the Grim Legion and the other Legions, most notably during the Fourth Great Maelstrom.)


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    • #3
      Yes, his ashtray status was to amuse the hatedom (considering that there were plenty of writers at the time that shared it).

      As for any in-character logic to it? Sam was extremely egotistical, and hated bowing before others. With the loss of all of his supernatural powers, and just having decently high but still human level traits, he really didn't have much to offer the Legions. He knows all about werewolves, vampires, and mages... so what? They're of minor consequence to most of Stygia's problems (esp. if a good number of them would come to the Underworld just to rekill Sam). "Breaking" Sam so he'd realize that despite all his accomplishments while alive, as a ghost he's just a fresh recruit and a grunt isn't worth the time and effort.

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      • #4
        Plus, there might have been a few favors called in by wraith-friendly supernaturals. And once they met Haight, I'm sure they would be more than happy to oblige with what's just about the worst fate possible.

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        • #5
          Also, according to Book of Legions, the Grim Legion has experience with supernaturals, typically in the context of members having originally been killed by them. They get on with the Samedi, the Hollow Ones, and the sluagh, and a few have dealings with the Silent Striders, but by and large, the Grim Legion does not like supernaturals.


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          • #6
            Honestly I figured they soulforged him just to completely get rid of the Crossover Mary Sue and to make sure that he couldn't come back as a wraith... I mean Specter because let's fact that guy is most definitely the kind of person that would become Specter upon death or a Risen.

            Though they did briefly bring him back in W20 Skinner. And I actually rather liked Old Sammy when he was just the Skinner and not the crossover mess he became.


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            • #7
              He was already the butt of many jokes, what better thing for him to become than a place to rest some butts.


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              • #8
                I dont care for the crossover mess either.

                And... lol that is kind of funny...

                I think some Numina would be enough to give a skindancer a bit of extra mystic edge.


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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
                  I dont care for the crossover mess either.

                  And... lol that is kind of funny...

                  I think some Numina would be enough to give a skindancer a bit of extra mystic edge.
                  Particularly in place of Disciplines and ghouldom.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Prince of the Night View Post
                    I dont care for the crossover mess either.

                    And... lol that is kind of funny...

                    I think some Numina would be enough to give a skindancer a bit of extra mystic edge.
                    Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

                    Particularly in place of Disciplines and ghouldom.
                    And it would have made more sense with him becoming the first Skindancer to have something like that or non-Awakened Magic.


                    Homo sapiens. What an inventive, invincible species. It's only a few million years since they crawled up out of the mud and learned to walk. Puny, defenceless bipeds. They've survived flood, famine and plague. They've survived cosmic wars and holocausts. And now, here they are, out among the stars, waiting to begin a new life. Ready to outsit eternity. They're indomitable. Indomitable.

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                    • #11
                      still think he would have made a good sword.


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                      • #12
                        It basically boils down to Sam Haight getting a massive dose of Cosmic Comeuppance. There isn't a better epilogue for SH, than being soulforged into an ashtray.


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                        • #14
                          Plus, you know the people who piled excess upon excess in writing him would have made him something like Stormbringer, godawfully powerful and leading the wielder around like a puppet.

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                          • #15
                            Where is storm bringer listed dont remember seeing it before or it from some other book or Movie?

                            I still if I was a hIerchy official would WANT a Godawfully powerful sword for my legionaires, as we fight back oblivion.


                            But you've made a good point.

                            Oh a question, on skindancers in general think that they, or Mockery breeds, fall under the Nagah's purview..

                            or that of the Judges of doom.


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