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  • Lin Liren
    started a topic Hiring Garou Mercenaries In The Underworld

    Hiring Garou Mercenaries In The Underworld

    I wonder why Wraiths don't do this more often.

    1A) The Average-Wraith is an Average-Joe, and The Average Garou is trained, hardened-experienced Werewolf-Warrior who can tear DOZENS of enemies, physical or spiritual, into confetti in a heartbeat.
    1B) AND you never just meet ONE average Garou, Werewolves travel in PACKS as a rule.
    1C) This would be an un-life saving Godsend in Tempests and Maelstroms where *dozens* of Specters are pounding on your door.

    2) Being able to travel between the worlds of The Living AND the Dead, the Garou can act as liasons and ambassadors for Wraiths who need business done on the other side of the shroud.

    3) How would a Wraith go about actually hiring Garou if this option is considered? How would Wraiths pay for this service?

    4) It would be safe to assume that Specters would also hire the services of Black Spiral Dancers too, yes? Those psychos and sociopaths are practically Specters with flesh bodies, after all.

    Edit: For those who just arrived (Warning: Disturbing Topic)

    5) Garou who get TOO furious in their Rage fall into "The Thrall of the Wyrm", wherein the unholy-anger in the darkness of their Homid, Metis or Lupus natures compels them to Cannibalize, Violate or Desecrate their fallen enemies.
    In the Dark Umbra, a Wraith or Specter is as tangible as Flesh to a Garou who has stepped into that world, so it would be safe to assume that a Garou in the Thrall of The Wyrm would attempt to Eat, Rape or Dismember a fallen-Wraith too, yes?


    Food for thought.
    Last edited by Lin Liren; 10-23-2016, 12:23 PM.

  • Ajax
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    Wraiths can cause quite a few problems by using Puppetry, Inhabit, etc. It's against the law, but Hierarchy enforcement is spotty at best and might be willing to look the other way, particularly for, say, the Grim Legion, which might be willing to dedicate some effort to making the lives of Garou who have gone all cuisinart on poor mortals that ended up crossing the Shroud and are looking for some delicious delicious Vengeance Pathos.

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  • EvilTyger
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    Yeah, Garou don't really like going into the realms of the dead. It's a complete disconnect from what they are. It happens, but not frequently. Silent Striders have maintained the knowledge. There was a time during the Wild West when it became more common, then quickly fell away again. (Massive spirit entities ripping holes in the gauntlet in every direction.)

    ​There were some early mentions of animal spirits manifesting in the Shadowlands of Africa, but it was never expanded upon.

    ​As for hiring... about the only real thing Ghosts have to offer would be information. THAT they can have a ton of.

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  • Nazfool
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    Originally posted by Saur Ops Specialist View Post

    No, not in their DNA. You won't find anything there.
    GaiaMojoWolfWombJuice?

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  • Nazfool
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    Originally posted by Lin Liren View Post
    What exactly *does* constitute as "Wyrmspawn" in the context of the Renown rules?
    Vampires are explicitly said to qualify; even though they are Children of Caine rather than The Wyrm proper, so perhaps it's heinously evil behavior akin to the sociopathy of Black spiral Dancers rather than birth that makes one "of the Wyrm"

    So, by that token Specters, Nepgandi Mages and Shadow Court Unseelie Fairies would also qualify as "of The Wyrm" too when it comes to the honor of slaying evil foes too, right?
    I mean this as lovingly as possible: you might be better off asking these questions in the WtA forum.

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  • idpersona
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    Originally posted by Lin Liren View Post
    So, by that token Specters, Nepgandi Mages and Shadow Court Unseelie Fairies would also qualify as "of The Wyrm" too when it comes to the honor of slaying evil foes too, right?
    Yes, yes and usually.

    I don't particularly like the choice of the word "evil" when describing things that are "of the Wyrm". At least in OOC talk. It's too simplistic a word for most of the WoD.

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  • Lin Liren
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    What exactly *does* constitute as "Wyrmspawn" in the context of the Renown rules?
    Vampires are explicitly said to qualify; even though they are Children of Caine rather than The Wyrm proper, so perhaps it's heinously evil behavior akin to the sociopathy of Black spiral Dancers rather than birth that makes one "of the Wyrm"

    So, by that token Specters, Nepgandi Mages and Shadow Court Unseelie Fairies would also qualify as "of The Wyrm" too when it comes to the honor of slaying evil foes too, right?

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  • Saur Ops Specialist
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    Originally posted by Nazfool View Post

    Personally, I’m inclined to say No (with room for very, very rare and heroic exceptions). To my understanding, Kinfolk are honored because the pass on the magic werewolf juice in their DNA; after they’re dead, I’m sure they’re respected, but is it really given any more thought in garou culture? Finally, if the kinfolk in question are worthy of such grand gestures of help, why are they ghosts? Being a ghost doesn’t make you bad, but it’s nowhere near the ancestor shtick of the fuzzies. Why are the kinfolk Restless?

    No, not in their DNA. You won't find anything there.

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  • Nazfool
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    Originally posted by Lin Liren View Post
    On the subject of Renown:

    Even though they are already dead, would Defending Innocent Wraiths (Kinfolk-wraiths in particular) against a massive attack of Specters (Wyrmspawn in practice if not category) earn Glory and Honor for the Defending Garou Warriors in question? Under the Categories of "Successfully Protecting A Human/Kinfolk" and "Defeating Wyrm Minions" I mean.
    Personally, I’m inclined to say No (with room for very, very rare and heroic exceptions). To my understanding, Kinfolk are honored because the pass on the magic werewolf juice in their DNA; after they’re dead, I’m sure they’re respected, but is it really given any more thought in garou culture? Finally, if the kinfolk in question are worthy of such grand gestures of help, why are they ghosts? Being a ghost doesn’t make you bad, but it’s nowhere near the ancestor shtick of the fuzzies. Why are the kinfolk Restless?


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  • adambeyoncelowe
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    Originally posted by Lin Liren View Post
    On the subject of Renown:

    Even though they are already dead, would Defending Innocent Wraiths (Kinfolk-wraiths in particular) against a massive attack of Specters (Wyrmspawn in practice if not category) earn Glory and Honor for the Defending Garou Warriors in question? Under the Categories of "Successfully Protecting A Human/Kinfolk" and "Defeating Wyrm Minions" I mean.
    It'd probably fall under the 'he's a moron' category. Battling a spectral hive in the Skinlands? Sure. But in the Shadowlands or Tempest? You'd just look like a lunatic...

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  • Lin Liren
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    On the subject of Renown:

    Even though they are already dead, would Defending Innocent Wraiths (Kinfolk-wraiths in particular) against a massive attack of Specters (Wyrmspawn in practice if not category) earn Glory and Honor for the Defending Garou Warriors in question? Under the Categories of "Successfully Protecting A Human/Kinfolk" and "Defeating Wyrm Minions" I mean.
    Last edited by Lin Liren; 10-26-2016, 08:48 AM.

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  • Nazfool
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    Stygia is a large and industrialized military fortress-city (essentially) that’s governed by Deathlords that are (roughly) on par with vampire Antediluvians (or Methuselahs). That would be, as others have said, a suicide mission. More than that, it’s a stupid death. Imagine Leroy Jenkins as a Get Ahroun. Helldiving into the Labyrinth (like nothing mentioned) to fight Neverborn (ancient primordial evils that are not-ftagn) might still be a suicide mission, but at least it carries a better promise of Renown.

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  • adambeyoncelowe
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    Originally posted by Lin Liren View Post
    Thoughts for the morning:

    1) Would the willingness to accept jobs be increased if the Hiring Wraith happens to be Garou kinfolk?
    The Garou ARE famous for Dearly-Loving their Families, after all, even if they are equally infamous for treating them like second-class citizens. (Well, except the heartless Shadow Lords of course, who don't love ANYONE period)


    2) I bet nothing will get an Alpha-Elder charging into Stygia with Dozen-Strong Pack than the ghost of his precious little girl begging Daddy to save her from the clutches of an over-enthusiastic artificer dragging her to the Soul-Forge.

    3A) Fetishes are sacred objects bound with spirits to give them power: The Giovani Vampires are infamous for substituting Gaian Spirits with Wraiths for their own Equivalents
    3B) Would a Garou who is heartless/amoral and willing enough be able to do that also?

    3C) AHA! I just figured out the QUICKEST way for an aspiring-schemer to get rid of the Giovani Vampires in ONE foul swoop!

    1) Find the Kinfolk-Ghost of a Garou *Elder*, preferably their precious Little-Boy/Little Girl
    2) Trick an over-enthusiastic/stupid Giovani Necromancer residing in the Clan's Venice Headquarters into binding that Beloved-Child into a Fetish.
    3) Have said Necromancer USE said Fetish, record him in the act of doing so
    4) Send nightmares of said child crying for Daddy's/Mommy's Help, with the Video Tape of the Fetish-Use sent by Fed-Ex to the door of the Werewolf-Elder the VERY next morning.
    5) As said Elder is crying screaming and smashing furniture, point in the direction of said stupid Necromancer's closest relative
    6) Wave goodbye as The Elder takes a band of *Champion* Werewolf-Warriors on a quest to beat-torture-claw and interrogate their way up the Giovani food-chain to Venice.
    7) Grab a Coke And Popcorn, Find a good spot on the Tower of Saint Marco's Square Venice, play "The Benny Hill Show" theme music on a 10-hour loop, and enjoy watching the Giovani Clan burn.
    8) See, wasn't that easy. (Again, won't work with Shadow Lords, who *don't* love their family)
    Werewolves are stupid but they're not *that* stupid.

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  • nothing
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    I'm just going to focus on this right here:
    Originally posted by Lin Liren View Post
    2) I bet nothing will get an Alpha-Elder charging into Stygia with Dozen-Strong Pack than the ghost of his precious little girl begging Daddy to save her from the clutches of an over-enthusiastic artificer dragging her to the Soul-Forge.
    Charging into Stygia is a suicide mission. I don't care if you bring every Ahroun from every Tribe, on a perpetual full moon, they will lose, and lose badly. If it's just a military operation, the Deathlords will wipe them from existence, and have new rugs in their palaces. The Garou wold have a better chance just diving into the Labyrinth and fighting a Neverborn, because then they wouldn't have died for completely selfish and stupid reasons. Stygia, the Deathlords, and their Legions routinely fight the forces of non-existence, so a few packs of werewolves isn't going to be more than an amusing annoyance (though they might have more success in some far-flung Necropoli).

    And this doesn't even get into what the rest of Garou society would say about such a plan.

    Cheers!

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  • Lin Liren
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    Thoughts for the morning:

    1) Would the willingness to accept jobs be increased if the Hiring Wraith happens to be Garou kinfolk?
    The Garou ARE famous for Dearly-Loving their Families, after all, even if they are equally infamous for treating them like second-class citizens. (Well, except the heartless Shadow Lords of course, who don't love ANYONE period)


    2) I bet nothing will get an Alpha-Elder charging into Stygia with Dozen-Strong Pack than the ghost of his precious little girl begging Daddy to save her from the clutches of an over-enthusiastic artificer dragging her to the Soul-Forge.

    3A) Fetishes are sacred objects bound with spirits to give them power: The Giovani Vampires are infamous for substituting Gaian Spirits with Wraiths for their own Equivalents
    3B) Would a Garou who is heartless/amoral and willing enough be able to do that also?

    3C) AHA! I just figured out the QUICKEST way for an aspiring-schemer to get rid of the Giovani Vampires in ONE foul swoop!

    1) Find the Kinfolk-Ghost of a Garou *Elder*, preferably their precious Little-Boy/Little Girl
    2) Trick an over-enthusiastic/stupid Giovani Necromancer residing in the Clan's Venice Headquarters into binding that Beloved-Child into a Fetish.
    3) Have said Necromancer USE said Fetish, record him in the act of doing so
    4) Send nightmares of said child crying for Daddy's/Mommy's Help, with the Video Tape of the Fetish-Use sent by Fed-Ex to the door of the Werewolf-Elder the VERY next morning.
    5) As said Elder is crying screaming and smashing furniture, point in the direction of said stupid Necromancer's closest relative
    6) Wave goodbye as The Elder takes a band of *Champion* Werewolf-Warriors on a quest to beat-torture-claw and interrogate their way up the Giovani food-chain to Venice.
    7) Grab a Coke And Popcorn, Find a good spot on the Tower of Saint Marco's Square Venice, play "The Benny Hill Show" theme music on a 10-hour loop, and enjoy watching the Giovani Clan burn.
    8) See, wasn't that easy. (Again, won't work with Shadow Lords, who *don't* love their family)
    Last edited by Lin Liren; 10-24-2016, 11:38 PM.

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