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  • #61
    If you want it to work then just treat it as a type of social maneuver. If you just want it to break people then use Hurt Locker. If you want it as a tempting high risk but maybe (if the dice gods smile on you) rewarding option then use the rules from hurt locker with the intent of applying broken and then use other social maneuvers now that the victim is suffering the social penaties from broken. The catch is that the storyteller doesn't tell you how many doors you need to break the target and forces you to diagnose when you have broken them. If you overshoot then the storyteller starts adding extra conditions onto the target that may or may not make getting useful information impossible.

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    • #62
      Rethinking this idea few years later - also in light of Scion Dragon intelligance manual part - I would say that untill you get 'maximum number of possible rolls', you can get reasonable informations. Beyond that, tortures target will say anything you want and it's simple cruelty.


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      • #63
        Hard Leverage. You’re looking for the hard leverage rules. Break someone’s fingers, open two Doors. Per Hurt Locker it can also let you pick up a failed social maneuver where you left off. Downside is the storyteller is extremely within rights to severely downgrade the quality of information you get.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Sith_Happens View Post
          Hard Leverage. You’re looking for the hard leverage rules. Break someone’s fingers, open two Doors. Per Hurt Locker it can also let you pick up a failed social maneuver where you left off. Downside is the storyteller is extremely within rights to severely downgrade the quality of information you get.

          Yeah i was gonna say. Torture might not work so well on hardened Terrorists, Agents or Soldiers but it works well enough on normal people unnacustomed to hardship that you could just use the Hard Leverage/Force Doors mechanics without the need for anything more fancy.

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          • #65
            There’s never a need to get more fancy, it’s explicitly one of the things Hard Leverage is meant to cover (“If Stacy were to shoot her professor in the leg to prove she means business...”).

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            • #66
              Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
              Rethinking this idea few years later - also in light of Scion Dragon intelligance manual part - I would say that untill you get 'maximum number of possible rolls', you can get reasonable informations. Beyond that, tortures target will say anything you want and it's simple cruelty.
              No,Hamster. Just.

              No.

              Nothing has changed in the last three years of study and research on the subject-across the scale of experience for the torturee and for the accuracy of the information yielded, there is no guarantee that you will reliably get correct information out of the torturee. In the meantime, torture remains an inhumane act that is both damaging form both the torturer and torturee, and only exists as a tool of states trying to reliably have a reputation for such malice.

              Part of the way inhuman crimes against persons is permitted to happen and keep happening stems from the public perception and permission of torture, namely in that this false idea of torture being in any way reliable as a means of getting information, a notion that, since the modern masses aren't going to be exposed to the experience personally or through the research, they are going to mostly understand through media, which thusly takes an inherently cruel and inhuman act and creates a "ends justify the means" mentality for people as it goes. Thusly, any media that portrays torture can be actively said to be perpetuating a condition that allows peoples and states to justify being cruel and inhumane to people.

              Chronicles of Darkness may allow people to explore darkness and monstrous behaviors, acts, and mentalities, but it will not lie about them. Hurt Locker, in particular, will not lie about torture. It will put out the only important and salient thing about it:

              Torture does not work.

              The only thing you get from it is hurting another person.

              Was it worth it?



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