Social Combat discussion.

[Charlaquin]

two more cases a few years ago I got a phone call from some debt collection agency, just the previous month Id been suckered by some tele-conmen.

so i was automaticly on guard.... asked how I could be sure iat wasnt a scam they told me simply "It isnt a scam" I cussed them out....actuaally reported it to AT&T as a scam only to find it was NOT a scam... I called them in a panic and apolagized.

Hostile impression, obviously. After you found out it wasn't a scam, your Impression returned to Neutral.

and as for gifts I was able to ingratiate myself to the rest of my towns anime club by buying a pizza.

how large a gift is that?

Soft Leverage. It raises the subject's Impression of you by one step. That said, unless you were trying to get your town's anime club to do something for you, Social Maneuvering wouldn't really be an appropriate way to model the interaction. Social Maneuvering is for when one character is trying to convince another character to do something.

[Prince of the Night]

Hostile impression, obviously. After you found out it wasn't a scam, your Impression returned to Neutral.


Soft Leverage. It raises the subject's Impression of you by one step. That said, unless you were trying to get your town's anime club to do something for you, Social Maneuvering wouldn't really be an appropriate way to model the interaction. Social Maneuvering is for when one character is trying to convince another character to do something.

I know that, a way to model in that kind of mistake or misunderstanding?

was what I wasking

someone else had brought pizza a few weeks ago I didnt want to be outdone.

[Charlaquin]

I know that, a way to model in that kind of mistake or misunderstanding?

was what I wasking

I don't understand what you're asking if that doesn't answer it. You had a Hostile impression of them due to the misunderstanding, and therefore they were unable to attempt to use Social Maneuvering against you. When the misunderstanding was later resolved, your impression returned to Neutral. That's how you model that scenario in the Social Maneuvering system.

someone else had brought pizza a few weeks ago I didnt want to be outdone.

Ok. Well, if you weren't trying to get them to do something for you, then you weren't using Social Maneuvering. If you had been trying to get them to do something, a gift of pizza would have been an offer of Soft Leverage, which if they had accepted it, would have raised their Impression of you by one step.

[Prince of the Night]

I don't understand what you're asking if that doesn't answer it. You had a Hostile impression of them due to the misunderstanding, and therefore they were unable to attempt to use Social Maneuvering against you. When the misunderstanding was later resolved, your impression returned to Neutral. That's how you model that scenario in the Social Maneuvering system.


Ok. Well, if you weren't trying to get them to do something for you, then you weren't using Social Maneuvering. If you had been trying to get them to do something, a gift of pizza would have been an offer of Soft Leverage, which if they had accepted it, would have raised their Impression of you by one step.

Ok what I was asking is what would the best thing in system to cause that kind of misunderstanding be? a Dramatic failure?

[Charlaquin]

Ok what I was asking is what would the best thing in system to cause that kind of misunderstanding be? a Dramatic failure?

Roleplaying. Your previous experience with tele-conmen left you suspicious of people asking questions about money on the phone, and the debt collectors said nothing that would alleviate this suspicion. There's no roll necessary in this situation.

Remember, dice only get rolled when the outcome of an action is uncertain. There was no uncertainty in this situation, your "character" was hostile towards people trying to get money from them over the phone, and the debt collectors' approach involved trying to get money from you over the phone. No need for a roll, because based on the approach, the action had no chance of succeeding in the first place.

[Prince of the Night]

a curious question? not all social rolls involve social maneuvering

Is Man+Intimidate, probaly enough to flatter someones ego and make someone kneel

[21C Hermit]

a curious question? not all social rolls involve social maneuvering

Is Man+Intimidate, probaly enough to flatter someones ego and make someone kneel

Probably enough, save for how I can't imagine how you can flatter someone's ego and make them kneel at the same time.

[Charlaquin]

a curious question? not all social rolls involve social maneuvering

If it helps you to think about it that way, sure.

Is Man+Intimidate, probaly enough to flatter someones ego and make someone kneel

...What?

[Prince of the Night]

to flatter your ego, to make an enemy kneel? is a simple man+intimidate roll enough.

[Tessie]

Flattering someone's ego usually don't make them kneel to you. That's what people are reacting to.

[Charlaquin]

Yeah, if you were playing in my game and your goal was “make the NPC kneel” with the approach “flatter the NPC’s ego,” I wouldn’t call for a roll. There is no reasonable chance of the approach succeeding in achieving the goal, so the action would fail. No dice required.

[Vent0]

Yeah, if you were playing in my game and your goal was “make the NPC kneel” with the approach “flatter the NPC’s ego,” I wouldn’t call for a roll. There is no reasonable chance of the approach succeeding in achieving the goal, so the action would fail. No dice required.

Trick them into thinking you are going to (and able to) knight them?

[Charlaquin]

Trick them into thinking you are going to (and able to) knight them?

Sounds like a different approach than “flatter their ego,” and in that case I’d probably call for Manipulation + Subterfuge.

[Ruger]

Tell them you are doing a painting/art piece and that this is the best pose to show off all their positive traits?

[Prince of the Night]

to intimidate someon into kneeling, in order to flatter your own ego, sorry.

was asking is that simple enough to just bed one die roll?