Social Combat discussion.

[Prince of the Night]

It can last weeks, if you have an average impression, this seems like it could be awkward for many purposes.

like, when I was 21 only a week or two I treated myself out.

Didnt know much about wine or beer (still dont know as much as I should) one of the servers, tried talking me up as much as he could to see how much he could squeeze out of me.

[Prince of the Night]

another curious Question

ideas on using non merits as Soft Leverage?

information Could be valuable.

or in the fan game princess

A collection of seeds could be a life saver.

[Charlaquin]

to intimidate someon into kneeling, in order to flatter your own ego, sorry.

was asking is that simple enough to just bed one die roll?

Ahh. Then sure, that could be a Forcing Doors roll. Probably Presence + Intimidation.

[Heavy Arms]

If you want it to be... sure. I'd probably use Forcing Doors just for the framing of how hard different people might be to intimidate (and I might not say Manipulation for this roll either), but there's no reason for this to be multiple roll situation unless you're trying to work someone to this over multiple interactions.

[Prince of the Night]

to intimidate someon into kneeling, in order to flatter your own ego, sorry.

was asking is that simple enough to just bed one die roll?

[Ruger]

Tell them you are doing a painting/art piece and that this is the best pose to show off all their positive traits?

[Charlaquin]

Trick them into thinking you are going to (and able to) knight them?

Sounds like a different approach than “flatter their ego,” and in that case I’d probably call for Manipulation + Subterfuge.

[Vent0]

Yeah, if you were playing in my game and your goal was “make the NPC kneel” with the approach “flatter the NPC’s ego,” I wouldn’t call for a roll. There is no reasonable chance of the approach succeeding in achieving the goal, so the action would fail. No dice required.

Trick them into thinking you are going to (and able to) knight them?

[Charlaquin]

Yeah, if you were playing in my game and your goal was “make the NPC kneel” with the approach “flatter the NPC’s ego,” I wouldn’t call for a roll. There is no reasonable chance of the approach succeeding in achieving the goal, so the action would fail. No dice required.

[Tessie]

Flattering someone's ego usually don't make them kneel to you. That's what people are reacting to.

[Prince of the Night]

to flatter your ego, to make an enemy kneel? is a simple man+intimidate roll enough.

[Charlaquin]

a curious question? not all social rolls involve social maneuvering

If it helps you to think about it that way, sure.

Is Man+Intimidate, probaly enough to flatter someones ego and make someone kneel

...What?

[21C Hermit]

a curious question? not all social rolls involve social maneuvering

Is Man+Intimidate, probaly enough to flatter someones ego and make someone kneel

Probably enough, save for how I can't imagine how you can flatter someone's ego and make them kneel at the same time.

[Prince of the Night]

a curious question? not all social rolls involve social maneuvering

Is Man+Intimidate, probaly enough to flatter someones ego and make someone kneel

[Charlaquin]

Ok what I was asking is what would the best thing in system to cause that kind of misunderstanding be? a Dramatic failure?

Roleplaying. Your previous experience with tele-conmen left you suspicious of people asking questions about money on the phone, and the debt collectors said nothing that would alleviate this suspicion. There's no roll necessary in this situation.

Remember, dice only get rolled when the outcome of an action is uncertain. There was no uncertainty in this situation, your "character" was hostile towards people trying to get money from them over the phone, and the debt collectors' approach involved trying to get money from you over the phone. No need for a roll, because based on the approach, the action had no chance of succeeding in the first place.