Does anyone miss Virtue and Vice for splats?

[Errol216]

I kinda want an unironic, played-straight Christian splat that's Prophecy/Passion, now.

[Tessie]

I kinda want an unironic, played-straight Christian splat that's Prophecy/Passion, now.

Saints: The Beatified

Supernatural Potency/Tolerance: Grace
Integrity equivalent: Devotion
Fuel Trait: Providence
Anchors: Prophecy/Passion
X-splat: Revelation
Y-splat: Order
Main powers: Miracles
Ritual powers: Sacraments

(I absolutely do not endorse anyone to make this.)

[Sith_Happens]

(I absolutely do not endorse anyone to make this.)

Too late, it’s not the whole game but on the individual character level it’s trivial to make a Princess who’s almost exactly this.

[Xenesis]

I like Vice and Virtue as I can easily use them as a mental shorthand to quickly make something up and get something running. I think the freeform 2E mortals version is probably the best, because it adds a bit of nuance.

[Gemstone]

I'm very much aware that my post is based upon our unique playstyle and the people I play with. You do you at your table!

I absolutely miss the virtue and vice mechanic of first edition as imo, it worked much better than the reductive, frankly stereotypical and one-dimensional traits they were replaced by. I used to run masquerade before finding requiem and nwod, and the Nature/Demeanor mechanic never really sat well with me. To often I saw players reduce their characters into basically NPCs who acted upon a set script to gain willpower and/or follow their Nature/Demeanor.

It was a fresh wind to see nwod get rid of those and instead introduce virtue/vice as a mechanic. First edition was sadly limited by the 7 deadly sins and 7 virtues, which in a way also was reductive and deconstructive. Hence why Chronicles system works much better with its Ideal/Fault mechanic.

To me, it was ultimately proven to work better with Virtue/Vice and a Morality stat when we ran our werewolf/changing breeds campaign a few months ago. The moment I introduced Blood and Bone, every character at the table basically became a parody of themselves.