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  • wyrdhamster
    started a topic Stranger Things = CofD: Innocents

    Stranger Things = CofD: Innocents

    See yourself - it looks like Innocents book made motion picture!


  • wyrdhamster
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    Season 3 - Soooo much inspiration for the Beshilu Rat Host, Spirit-Ridden and Contagion Chronicles in this season!
    Last edited by wyrdhamster; 07-14-2019, 01:38 PM.

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  • tasti man LH
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    So season 3 is here. Only about 3 episodes, but so far it's pretty great.

    First thing that jumped out to me is on the Hunter side of things...

    Going from only reading through snippets of Hunter 1e and the couple of dev blogs for 2e...but one thing that the first few episodes once a Hunter takes up the Vigil, they can never let it go. Most of our cast, to some degree, jump at shadows and can't quite forget the things they've seen from the Upside Down. Joyce immediately assuming the worse when something as simple as magnets not working crops up, Nancy with her job/internship at Hawkins Post chasing a case involving weird rats (while also dealing with her misogynistic coworkers), a comment from Hooper about how he almost shot a resident's dog because it looked like demo-dog...etc.

    Oh sure, we as the audience knows that yes, something's up, but the characters do not...and yeah, in a HtV game I would definitely see that where any Hunter becoming more paranoid at every little small thing, even if it ends up not being supernatural at all.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    At the end of season 2 we even have ANOTHER reason why Stranger Things is great Shadow Realm + Idigam story -

    We see a good honest Exorcisms to break Possession Condition, with using Coalesed Idigam's Bane!
    Last edited by wyrdhamster; 11-12-2017, 06:21 PM.

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  • Gallus
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    STRANGER THINGS: A DUNGEONS & DRAGONS HISTORY CHECK. Speaking of D&D and the Shadowfell, the Vale of Shadows seems to be an in universe recon to D&D based on the Shadowfell.
    Last edited by Gallus; 11-03-2017, 09:23 PM.

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  • Charlaquin
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    Originally posted by Gallus View Post
    I mean, you don't even really need any templates to make Eleven or any one else. Though obviously more way to do similar things is always good.
    Oh, certainly not. The whole thing could be easily reproduced with ordinary bluebook characters, maybe a couple of supernatural Merits, and some clever use of the Horrors system. I think, though, that the goal of comparing elements of the show to various gamelines is not so much to figure out the best way to emulate them using CofD rules, but rather to contextualize the show within a CofD framework, in much the same way that the kids contextualize their supernatural experiences within a D&D framework.

    The analogy the characters use to understand what they’re going through tells is a lot about how they view these things. To them, the Upside-Down is an evil reflection of our world, dominated by necrotic and shadow energy*. The monsters are Always Chaotic Evil demons and alien inhabitants of the Far Realm. Whereas, the fact that I frame it within the context of Changeling the Lost shows that I view the Upside-Down as a physical manifestation of the characters’ pain and trauma, and the monsters as semi-metatextual forces of narrative. I can assume from the fact that Wyrd compares it to the Hisil that to him the Upside-Down is a predatory alien ecosystem, and the monsters are a natural part of that ecosystem.

    *side note: this description of the “Veil of Shadows” seems almost identical to the Shadowfell, but that didn’t exist in D&D until 4th Edition. I would say it’s probably homebrew, except that their teacher recognized it by name and seemed to be familiar with it from his own experience with D&D. Just something I thought was a little odd.
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  • Cleverest of Things
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    I agree with Wyrd, though I can easily see how to stretch it to be an Underworld or Changrling story. Either way, the Party is a cell of Innocent Hunters, helped out by a few adult hunters, and the deviant Eleven. You can SEE the breaking points happening XD. That Hunter ptsd is strong.

    I personally had the hardest time running the Shadow until season 1 came out, and season 2 reinforced the Upside Down as a twisted reflection of our world with a whole, brutal ecosystem.

    It really freaked the non-Uratha players when I described werewolves as half human, half demodog. But I hadn't even thought of the obvious Idigam trying to manifest. Yikes, this is why being Claimed is scary! Break those manifestation conditions quick! (Even if it triggers that pesky "torture" breaking point.
    say goodbye to your integrity Joyce! What little is left after that lightbulb obsession).

    Edit: oh yeah, #teamsteve #sorrynotsorry
    Last edited by Cleverest of Things; 11-03-2017, 09:33 AM.

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  • Gallus
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    I mean, you don't even really need any templates to make Eleven or any one else. Though obviously more way to do similar things is always good.

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  • Charlaquin
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    Originally posted by wyrdhamster View Post
    Now with Season 2 I can clearly say that Stranger Things 2 sold to me idea of Idigam as Werewolf: the Forsaken 2E main antagonist! So http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/main-forum/the-new-world-of-darkness/werewolf-the-forsaken/939700-stranger-things-series-as-shadow-realm-story"]Upside Down as Shadow Realm[/URL] is the fact now.

    The vines and Demogorgon are part of the same alien parasite that clears Shadow Realm/Upside Down, spreading in it. If we assume that parasite is Coalescenced Idigam - it all makes sense! We even have Spawns and Herald of it in Season 2, like each good Idigam has!
    I’m only more convinced it’s a Changeling story now (with a little bit of Deviant crossover).

    Post-traumatic stress was a major theme of season 2, which has Changeling all over it. Will came back different, just as we would expect of a Changeling. True Sight would appear to be his Kith blessing. We get to see that the Demogorgon was not in fact his Keeper but a Hedge beast, his Keeper being the Mind Flayer. The Upside-Down bleeding over into physical space via the roots is just new Trods being made by the Demodog Hedge-beasts.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    Now with Season 2 I can clearly say that Stranger Things 2 sold to me idea of Idigam as Werewolf: the Forsaken 2E main antagonist! So Upside Down as Shadow Realm is the fact now.

    The vines and Demogorgon are part of the same alien parasite that clears Shadow Realm/Upside Down, spreading in it. If we assume that parasite is Coalescenced Idigam - it all makes sense! We even have Spawns and Herald of it in Season 2, like each good Idigam has!

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  • Charlaquin
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    Originally posted by dxanders View Post
    The Upside-Down seemed almost like a stripped down, homebrewed version of the Hedge, and both Eleven and (particularly) Will's relation to the other side strike me as thematically very similar to Changeling.
    I'm a bit late to the party, but yeah, I totally got more of a Hedge vibe than a Shadow vibe. Especially after the new preview of the Hedge section in 2e Changeling. The way Hawpe kept having flashbacks of his daughter was very reminiscent of the Hedge embodying the pain of those who visit. And then there was the fact that ordinary humans could just walk right in through the right gate, that's something that is normally not possible for the Shadow, but is pretty much one of the Hedge's defining features.

    Of course, this interpretation would also make Will a Changeling and Joyce a Fae-Touched, which I strongly prefer over Joyce being a Genius and Will being... Uhh... Something. Heck, he even had a Fetch.
    Last edited by Charlaquin; 09-28-2016, 03:19 AM.

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  • wyrdhamster
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    I still go with Upside Down as Shadow Realm more than Hedge. One of main features of Shadow is that it is predatory, Silent Hill-esque dimension. Hedge is MUCH more fantastical, much less survivor of fitest than this. And Shadow ecology perfectly anawer final of show season. ( See link in my post few above for that. )

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  • xenoterracide
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    I thought it felt a bit Changeling or Beast at points.

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  • dxanders
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    The Upside-Down seemed almost like a stripped down, homebrewed version of the Hedge, and both Eleven and (particularly) Will's relation to the other side strike me as thematically very similar to Changeling.

    That said, the interpretations other people threw out there seem spot-on. Eleven sounds like a textbook version of what's planned for Deviant, and the conflict between the DoE and Hopper are exactly what I picture when I envision conflicts between Tier 1 and Tier 2/3 Hunter groups.
    Last edited by dxanders; 09-12-2016, 02:36 PM.

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  • Steamfunk
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    This is quintessential Cell-Tier hunter stuff for me. A cop who's in too deep and a mother who wants to rescue her child. I think I may have literally run that game at some point.

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